Rae Richmond - Sexy has no expiration date!

Rae Richmond is living proof that desire doesn’t retire. Corporate executive turned social media sex powerhouse at 56, four years sober, and currently washing more squirt blankets than most women half her age. 

From the age-gap chemistry that launched her career to the plastic surgery, and the business of staying filthy and successful… and the need to fulfill a market where men of ALL ages are her clients.  This one is pure VXN. Hold her sparkling water. She’s not done yet.

Age is just a number… and the haters can respectfully fuck off.

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:01

Hi, I'm Irene DeVaux, and welcome to the Vixen Chronicles erotic explorations and unapologetic talk. We have a great episode tonight. My friends from the TNA podcast hooked me up with Ray Richmond. And she's an almost 60-year-old OnlyFans and other sexy model. And she just got started three years ago, and her her world blew up. Like she her story's just amazing, and I can't wait to interview her tonight. So stay tuned. We're going to have a fascinating show. This is your content warning. This show is about sex, every kind and flavor of sex. And if you think any topic is not your thing, please don't listen to it. If you're under 18, stop listening right now, or I'm calling your mom. My lawyer makes me say all of that. This is a reminder to submit your feedback, questions, or story ideas to info at the VixenCronicles.com, and it's a VXN. And please follow and listen on iHeart, Spotify, and Apple Podcasts, and you'll get notified when we publish new episodes. Hello, Vixenhood. Welcome back and thank you for listening. Before we get started tonight, I want to say this age is just a number. And you the person who who who's ever, you know, doing what they're doing, they get to decide how old they feel and act. And for the people who listen to this podcast that I know are just not huge fans, but they're running back talking to other people about my podcast and judge age or and have ageism. I just want to say respectfully, fuck off. So I got that off my I got that off my chest now. Um so with that said, I have the fabulous Ray Richmond with me tonight. Say hello, Ray.

SPEAKER_03 2:02

Hello, it's so great to be here. And can I second that fuck off on the ages of it?

SPEAKER_00 2:07

Absolutely. Absolutely. So you and I are gonna have so much fun tonight. I I'm kind of bummed because Kat isn't with us, but soccer mom is she's soccer moming right now, and it's full, full speed. At any rate, with all of that said, I got introduced to you by my friend Jason, not Sam, by the way, just Jason from the TNA podcast. And I and I love them, but how how did you come across them? And you've done a couple episodes with them, right?

SPEAKER_03 2:40

I've done five, five episodes of TNA, three alone, one with my ex and one with my BFF, who is no longer in the industry.

SPEAKER_00 2:49

Oh, okay. And did they just like happen upon you? And um it had to be Jason contacting you because we know Sam doesn't do any of the work on that podcast.

SPEAKER_03 2:58

They did reach out to me really early on in my adult career. You know, I'm I'm gonna be 60 in a little under four months, and I've been doing this for just over three years, and I was probably only a month or two into it, and I want to say that they contacted me through my PR representation at the time.

SPEAKER_02 3:18

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 3:18

I believe is how they came into my world. And oh my gosh, I'm so thankful they did because I love them so much.

SPEAKER_00 3:25

Oh my god. They literally, Ray, they make me laugh until I cry. Literally. They are so funny. And and Jason just tortures Sam. I mean, and it's the funniest thing ever. So if y'all haven't listened to the TNA podcast, please, please go look them up. They are some funny, funny men in southern Ohio. They they make me laugh all the time. So, Ray, I'm looking at you some of your stats and everything from the different platforms. And all I have to say is, you go, girl, because for three years in, I cannot believe the numbers I'm looking at, truly. And I know you've had some issues, like all of the a lot, a lot of the people on OnlyFans and things like that have, you know, they get shut down or people complain or whatever, right? But it looks like you've built things up pretty well again. And I think that's just amazing. Like I want to at some point I want to know that secret, but we're not gonna give people that secret yet. Okay, that sounds good. Okay, cool. So tell me a little bit about your background. Can we go into that?

SPEAKER_03 4:38

Sure. My background is nothing to do with the adult entertainment industry. I come from corporate America where I spent 30 years working from the ground up as a call receiver in a call center, working my way into senior management for a major international corporation.

SPEAKER_00 4:56

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 4:56

And that is what I was doing and a half years ago.

SPEAKER_00 5:01

I loved you. I love that you were a badass bitch, worked your way up to senior management. Believe me, I'm right there with you. And I'm so proud of you. Were you married at any time, kids, all that type of stuff?

SPEAKER_03 5:16

Oh, yes. I've been married, and my children are gonna be 39 soon and about to turn 30.

SPEAKER_02 5:24

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 5:25

They are very well adjusted, very um successful in their own right, and more normal than they have any right to be, being my children. Um, because even though I was in the corporate world and I did live that straight laced life, I also um I had some addiction issues. I have four years clean and sober today. Oh my god. So I wanted to bring that up.

SPEAKER_00 5:49

Congratulations.

SPEAKER_03 5:50

Thank you so much. So there were some wild times in my life mixed in with all the corporate stuff, but but never in the adult space. That's the only thing. I was married, had children, you know, did the soccer mom thing. So it was never anything I even considered. Right. What happened was I got divorced. Wait, how long were you married? How long were you? Well, I was married the last time. We'll just talk about the last one. My children's fathers were years and years and years ago. Okay. Um, I got divorced from my daughter's father in '99, we split, so very long time ago. And then I married my husband, who I was most recently married to, in 2012, and we divorced in 2021. Okay. So when I divorced, yeah. Yes, yes. And we were together about 12 years, married for almost 10. Okay. And we were just, we had known each other since we were kids. We were friends, you know, and so I kind of was at the age where I thought I was gonna end up in a rocking chair on a porch with somebody, and that was kind of like I thought, and not in a good way, not in a oh my gosh, we're gonna grow old together way, but in a my life is over, I'm gonna park it on the porch because I have nothing left to offer. I was not in good shape mentally, physically, emotionally. Okay, and so it one day I looked at him sitting on his other opposite end of our sectional on his phone, and I was on the other completely 20 feet away on mine, and I thought, you know what? I can do this all by myself. What am I doing? Yeah, like I don't love this man, and he doesn't love me.

SPEAKER_00 7:27

Or maybe you loved him as a friend, but there was no spark, right? Like that's that happens a lot too.

SPEAKER_03 7:33

Well, at some point, sure, but at some point you grow apart to the point where the jabs become more uh mean-spirited than necessarily friendly banter.

SPEAKER_00 7:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 7:45

And it becomes a little bit toxic, and it becomes a little bit less, we're gonna stick this out, and more of a what the fuck are we doing? So, you know, I knew I had a good job, I was very well um prepared to take care of myself, and he had a good job, and so it was amicable, it was a very amicable split, and so we split, and shortly thereafter, I got sober. We split in January, so my sober date being in August, you know, several months later, I got sober, and I was two months sober when I met a man who was 20 years younger than me. And there was something so dynamic and so charismatic about this man that it was instantly like we were drawn to each other. It wasn't just I was drawn to him, I would have never approached this man because I was not the person you see today.

SPEAKER_00 8:39

Right, yeah, but probably because of the age gap, things like that. What real quick, what made you decide to get sober? Like what was it alcohol? Was it it dry? Like, what was it? I and you don't have to go into details if you don't want to.

SPEAKER_03 8:53

No, it's okay.

SPEAKER_00 8:53

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 8:53

I don't mind to talk about it. There were drugs in my distant, distant past. Okay. But what I think made me really get sober was I was kind of kind of sort of hanging out with a guy we weren't dating. I wasn't in love with him or anything like that. But I believe that the universe sent me this man to hold a mirror up in front of me because he was everything that I was, but it bugged the living shit out of me seeing him do the things that I had been doing for years, and it just really bothered me. And so I was having some health issues as a result of my drinking. And I mean, I'll tell you this really quick, it's it has nothing to do with what we're talking about. It's fine.

SPEAKER_02 9:30

It's fine.

SPEAKER_03 9:31

I used to, my mom was a brittle diabetic when she was alive, and so she would have low blood sugar and she would keep glucose tablets tablets by her bed. And so when I was drinking, I would drink wine pretty heavily, and my blood sugar started dropping in the night, and I would wake up shaking, sweating, you know, just plummeted, about half dead. And so instead of thinking maybe I should stop drinking, my liver can't take this, right? I put glucose tablets beside my bed.

unknown 9:56

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 9:57

And so, you know, I thought that was genius problem solution. And, you know, looking back now, it sounds absolutely ludicrous, but that was how the depths of my addiction to alcohol had taken me.

SPEAKER_02 10:09

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 10:09

And it's so funny now looking back, how much sense that made to me. And so this person who I was hanging out with had a really serious medical emergency, and we went to the hospital, and at that point, he had been talking about AA because I'd already told him, you know, I can't, you know, this is we're not, this is not happening. And so I said, Well, you'll do anything to get out of going to AA, and we went to the hospital instead, and he ended up having a really serious medical condition, lied to him, told him he didn't drink like the whole nine yards. And I'm sitting there watching him. And I'll never forget it was August 11th, 2022. I went straight home from the hospital at like 11 o'clock that night, poured myself a gigantic glass of wine. After I had just sat there and watched someone have a medical emergency because of their drinking, I took a giant drink of that, set it down, looked at it, and thought, what the actual fuck are you doing?

SPEAKER_01 11:02

Right.

SPEAKER_03 11:02

Like, do you want to die? And so I went and poured it out. And I poured all the alcohol in the house, including his, out, and I never took another drink. My sober date is August 12th because I never touched it again. But found a 12-step program, a program of recovery, we'll say, um, a month later. And then a month after that is when I met this man who changed my life in so many ways.

SPEAKER_00 11:28

Yeah. I I love that. Okay, so you obviously have a southern accent. Where did you grow up?

SPEAKER_03 11:35

Born and raised in West Virginia in a little tiny town, had one red light. Now it has two, I think. But at the time, it has one red light. And I've been in Florida, which is where I live now, for almost nine years. But I before that, I was in South Carolina for seven. And before that, I was in Virginia Beach for seven. I just keep going further south.

SPEAKER_00 11:56

I don't blame you.

SPEAKER_03 11:57

I think I'm good here. I love the beach and I love to be surrounded by water. So Virginia Beach, Myrtle Beach, and now Tampa Bay. And this is home. This is spot I think I'll end up.

SPEAKER_00 12:07

Yeah, it's good for you. So, and congratulations on being sober, truly. I mean, it takes a lot for someone to be that introspective and understand that, you know, I have a problem and then go through it, type of thing. So, congrats to you.

SPEAKER_03 12:24

Thank you. It was hard, I'm not gonna lie, but it's gotten easier as the years have passed.

SPEAKER_00 12:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 12:28

And I could not by any means do what I do now if I was still drinking. The mental power, people don't understand what goes into this on the whole.

SPEAKER_00 12:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 12:39

Like this is a business.

SPEAKER_00 12:40

Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 12:41

The portion that you see is like 10% of it if that. Right. The behind the scenes stuff, the 90%, it is a it's not a you know, job that you do nine to five. It's not even a job you do 16 hours a day. It's uh when you open your eyes to when you close your eyes. Right. You're working your business if you want to be successful and you want to keep all those plates balancing on those sticks and all those balls in the air. You better be on your game.

SPEAKER_00 13:10

Yeah, definitely. And I'm with you. This is a business. This podcast is a business. Your socials and everything that you do is a business. And we'll get to that in just a a little bit here, but I'm so proud of you, truly. I mean, what were your parents like? And did you have any siblings?

SPEAKER_03 13:29

I did. I had one brother. He was the white sheep of the family. He is uh a doctor, he's a psychiatrist. No, I don't get the family discount, but he's very accomplished, very high up in his field. He doesn't live in the same state as me, but he's very well known in his field, and so he is about five years older than me. My parents were married for 41 years until my mom passed away in 2007, and then my dad in 2013. But my parents had a very volatile marriage. My parents had a very, there was no abuse or anything like that in the home, but there was a lot of yelling, there was a lot of verbal stuff going on, and my dad worked very hard, my mom worked very hard, so I had a lot of time alone. So I always like to say that the library in our town spent a great deal of its time raising me because I read everything I could get my hands on at a very young age, and that's probably not a great thing, but I did and got a lot of education, a lot of subjects I probably didn't need to know about at 10, 11, 12 years old.

SPEAKER_00 14:38

But anyway, it weirdly enough though, this is crazy. My dad didn't like me going to school, so he kept me home a lot, and I mean like years. So the only thing I could do was read. And so I'm completely self-educated. So I love the fact that you educated yourself about the world. That's how we learned. Well, sure. Good on you for that. I was hoping you were gonna say they they it was like leave it to beaver, right? Where they were happily married.

SPEAKER_03 15:06

Well, you know, they weren't unhappily married and they parented us very well in spite of their personal differences. I think that my dad and my mom both had their own issues, definitely had their own issues, and so they spent a lot of time dealing with their own issues, which left me to my devices quite a bit, which was fine with me. I was very much a loner, you know.

SPEAKER_00 15:28

Why why your brother became a a psychiatrist or is that what I was like?

SPEAKER_03 15:34

But they were great, like they came to every I was a cheerleader when I was very small, and then a major at the rest of school and played softball. Yeah, my brother played football, played basketball. They were always at every game, banned competitions, everything, home or away, they never missed. And I had everything, we weren't rich by any means, but I had everything I needed and most of the things I wanted.

SPEAKER_02 15:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 15:56

And, you know, got a car when I was 16. I was very fortunate to have a two-parent home, you know, even though it wasn't a perfect home. But are you? There was no abuse, there was no neglect.

SPEAKER_01 16:07

Right.

SPEAKER_03 16:07

No, I mean, so I am very fortunate in that. I came up pretty soft in comparison to a lot of people stories that I hear.

SPEAKER_00 16:14

Well, in that to have that stability for all of your all of the kids' activities and stuff, they're there as a, you know, a a unit, you know, a family unit. So that's always important, I think, too, is to have that family dynamic where both parents go to sports activities and stuff. And even if you're divorced, you better both put on a good front, then in my mind.

SPEAKER_03 16:37

You know, though, that brings something up though, Irene. It brings to me the the thought that people who are in my industry have daddy issues. Right. I don't have daddy issues.

SPEAKER_02 16:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 16:49

I was a daddy's girl and not in a weird way at all. I was the apple of my father's eye. He was the most normal, non-cree dad on the planet. He was, you know, he he was constantly there for me, even when I was grown in any way he could possibly be. I'm the furthest in from daddy issues than anybody has ever seen in their life. And yet I choose to do porn.

SPEAKER_00 17:12

Well, you but but in my mind, maybe that's because you have that, you know, rock that was there that whole time. It gave you the confidence and things. I hear your dog barking, by the way. I now have so I have Jolene, who's just part of the show, and I've had her for a while, but recently I got a puppy, and her name's Sophie, and that's not her that's not her fake name. She doesn't care if I go by her real name. My other dog, that's her fake name is Jolene.

SPEAKER_03 17:41

So I love it though. My dogs had stage names at first. They did. They were Daisy and Dax, but now their real names are Dexter and Izzy, aka Isabel. Yeah, and that's Dexter. Dexter would wear me like a sweater if he could. Oh yeah. So he's very incensed that I'm not in there for his snuggle down.

SPEAKER_00 18:02

So funny. Okay, so after your second marriage and when you were seeing that guy after all of that, I guess during during that time with the man you were dating, lived with, whatever, and he had that medical emergency. Was your sex life did it progress through the years, you know, from each marriage to him, to did it become more risque, or was it always vanilla until you met this person?

SPEAKER_03 18:30

Well, it wasn't necessarily always vanilla, but I didn't have, let me clarify, I didn't have sex with the man with the medical emergency. Oh, I didn't know that. He had well, he had severe alcohol issues. Okay. Nobody knows who he is, so I don't care to say this, but there was never any of that in the relationship. So I was more what I would consider adventurous in spirit, but not in action. And then when I met Cam, it was you know, at first I was very hesitant when he asked me out, and I thought, well, he's just asking you to lunch. Like, there's no way this guy is interested in you, you know. And so I said I'd go to lunch with him, and we ended up going. And at the end of it, he texted me afterwards and said, You know, the next time I see you, I'm gonna kiss you, right?

SPEAKER_00 19:18

Aww.

SPEAKER_03 19:19

And I was like, Okay, well, I wasn't dreaming it. But before that, he had said, I had said, Well, you know, this guy that he, you know, I'd been hanging out with, see him, whatever, he's very jealous of you. He thinks you've got a thing for me. And he says, Well, then he's no dummy.

SPEAKER_00 19:34

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_03 19:35

And I was like, Okay, so these signs started pointing to, okay, maybe I'm not delusional, maybe he does.

SPEAKER_02 19:40

Right.

SPEAKER_03 19:41

And then the first time he kissed me, we were standing in my kitchen, and it was like a lightning bolt hit both of us. And when I tell you, I was wearing holy jeans, he grabbed those holy jeans in the holes and ripped them off of me. Like I still have them. They were literally ripped off like the incredible Hulk off my body. Wow. And we were just like, it was game on, like someone rang the bell at SummerSlam. Like it was insane. And he was like, he couldn't believe it either. We'd never, I mean, I never had anything like that happen. The chemistry was just off the charts.

SPEAKER_00 20:17

That's amazing. I mean, when you have that kind of chemistry with someone, it's I mean, how does it get any better in my mind?

SPEAKER_03 20:23

Well, it was good in a lot of ways, but it was bad in a lot of ways too. Or he would still be here. So we can get it. Uh you know, I have a lot of respect for him, yes. But uh, you know, we're we it was it was very much an awakening for me because he was very adventurous and he made me see that I don't need to park myself in a rocking chair. Right. Because I was 55 and he was 35 when we started dating. And he saw me as sexual and sexy and beautiful, and he always made me feel that way, even before I had my work done. I mean, obviously, I'm very open about my facial plastic surgery, my body surgeries that I've had done.

SPEAKER_00 20:59

We're gonna cover all that.

SPEAKER_03 21:00

I thought I was beautiful before that. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 21:03

Okay, so tell me, okay, so the two of you start dating. So at what point, and clearly you're having hot sex. Did you guys video it for yourselves, that kind of thing? Like, how did you make that decision to flip that switch to go to OnlyFans or whatever you went to first?

SPEAKER_03 21:22

Well, that's exactly what happened. He started video, you know, taping our sex, and it was just for our own gratification. He would be like, Oh my god, that's so hot, and pull the camera out. And I was all about it because I'm an exhibitionist, clearly. Clearly, I'm an exhibitionist, but I've never explored that side.

SPEAKER_01 21:40

Right.

SPEAKER_03 21:40

I've always loved it. I've always loved, you know, dressing a little bit sexy, a little bit risque on occasion when I was younger, but I never explored true exhibitionism. But the thought of being filmed, oh my god, it was incredible. And watching him back, yeah, it was just like crazy. And so he He said one day, you really should look at some of these sites out here. We at first we talked about streaming, which is strange because you know I didn't stream until last year. I was just on the content side until last year, and we'll get to that, I'm sure. But we talked about doing couple shows on some of these platforms. And so I started looking into it, and he said, You really should put this content on one of those content sites. And I said, Baby, I'm 55 years old. Who's gonna want to see that? And he said, The way you do it, everybody's gonna want to see it.

SPEAKER_00 22:31

That is so funny.

SPEAKER_03 22:33

And so I started looking into it, and and I'm I'm I'm a business woman before anything. And I started doing the market research, and what I found was that the market for older, mature women is underserved in this industry, woefully underserved. It's better now than it was. It's not much better. And I'll tell you something else that you might find fascinating because I know I do. The majority, now I have fans of all ages. I have a hot 19-year-old who I am doing a video call with tomorrow, who has a perfect body and a beautiful cock, and he banged me to no end and multiple orgasms in a live last night, and we're doing a one-on-one tomorrow. Oh my god. Yeah, he's 19, and that's hot as fuck. But I also have men in their 60s. My oldest fan that I know of was 86, and he's the sweetest thing. And his wife passed away, and he's horny as hell, and he loved him some need. Wow. But the majority of my fans and followers are 25 to 45 year old men.

SPEAKER_00 23:37

So are mine on this podcast. It's it's 25 to 45, and my listeners are 86% now men. I just looked at the numbers yesterday. And it shocks me that so many young men listen in. And I think they listen in because people like for this podcast, you know, there really is no other competition for for, you know, a woman who's been successful, confident, all of those things to be talking about sex. It's not two young 20-year-old girls giggling over the shit that they don't do, like swallow and stuff like that. I just think it's ridiculous. I'm like, if men wanted to listen to that, they would go home. Exactly. So I still believe that it's an underserved market, and I think that you and I are gonna fill that and make money doing it.

SPEAKER_03 24:26

100% fill that while they fill us.

SPEAKER_00 24:29

There you go. I've got my uh my puppy in here trying to um play with Jolie. Oh, she's if you hear 'em, that's what's going on in the background.

unknown 24:38

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 24:39

Oh my goodness, girl. Well, you'll be hearing Dexter and Izzy soon, I'm sure.

SPEAKER_00 24:43

Perfect. So what did you start first? Did you start OnlyFans first?

SPEAKER_03 24:48

I did. I launched my OnlyFans May the 7th of 2023.

SPEAKER_01 24:53

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 24:53

And looking back now at that early content, I want to cringe. And at one point I took down on my gray hair content because when I got my facelift done in July. Yeah. It took well, let me back up. It took off immediately. Oh, good. I mean, like day one subscribers. I had started TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, all the things, and I had started pre-marketing some reels, and it took off quicker than I could have ever imagined. And ironically, what happened was someone did something to me that they thought they were hurting me.

SPEAKER_02 25:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 25:28

But it honestly was the greatest career boost of I could have even imagined because it led me into Huffington Post, BuzzSpeed, News Nation interviewed me on the on ballot show. I was, you know, just everywhere there in the fall of 23. And I mean, na international magazines and languages I don't even speak. Close up magazine in the UK, or closer rather, Closter magazine in the UK.

SPEAKER_00 25:52

That's amazing.

SPEAKER_03 25:53

Um, there's just we, I mean, it's like physical magazines, full two-page spreads of me and Cam.

SPEAKER_00 25:58

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 25:59

And it's crazy to me looking back that that was even a thing that happened, that it was. And so what happened was this person from my hometown, somehow I don't still don't know how. I don't know if her husband subscribed. I don't know if she came across it accidentally. I still don't know because very few people my family knew, and that was really it, because it's nobody's business. Right, I agree. It's not, it's not a secret, it's private, and that's a difference. You know, it's it's not that I'm ashamed of it. I mean, my friend all over. Right, you're clear. And it's not that I am, but I don't necessarily think if you don't know me and you're not in my world, that you deserve my private business. So I kept it private, not secret. And so this woman one day on a fine, I believe, August morning in 2023, says, tags me my real name and my stage name on a Facebook post that says, if you know blank real name, go look up Ray Richmond and see what she's really like.

SPEAKER_00 27:05

Okay, that is unbelievable, truly, that someone is that. I felt like someone punched me.

SPEAKER_03 27:10

Yeah, felt like someone punched me. It was like instant tears, instant, you know, the pit of my stomach was just sick. I called Cam. I was crying, I didn't know what to do. I, you know, so I I I did I was frozen. Like thinking about it now, even brings that feeling back. And so I got with Brian, who was my PR at the time, and I I told him, and we were talking about defamation, and we were talking about lawsuits, and we were talking about all the things I could do because she doxxed me, right, you know, publicly. And there's a law in the state of West Virginia that you cannot dox somebody, and she did.

SPEAKER_01 27:44

Right.

SPEAKER_03 27:45

And it could have been dangerous for me because there are all kinds of people out there who, you know, watch my porn who I don't know if those people would come and try to hurt me. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 27:55

Yeah, you don't think they would, right?

SPEAKER_03 27:56

But you don't know. So I'm, I mean, Mr. Smith and Wesson live beside me, but yeah, it doesn't mean that I want to have to take those measures. So what happened was I I thought about it for about 24 hours. Brian put me in touch with an entertainment attorney in California, and we were thinking about pursuing legal action. And all of a sudden, something inside me said, No, no, no, let's go about this a different way. Let's do a press release. Yeah, perfect. Let's talk about these people and their judgment of me and how I don't give a fuck. Right. I didn't ask you. I didn't ask you if you have to pay to be offended by me because it's all behind a paywall, that's a you problem, that's not a me problem.

SPEAKER_00 28:40

Absolutely. So you took that very bad issue that this person did try to hurt you and could have hurt you, and look, you turned lemons into lemonade.

SPEAKER_03 28:52

Oh, yeah, girl. I threw those rocks right back at him, and then I used the rest of them to build a freaking empire.

SPEAKER_00 28:57

I love it. And I have to tell you, when you and I first spoke on the phone, I asked Ray that woman's name so I could look her up on Facebook. And let me tell you, I understand why she's a bitter woman. She is a very bitter, bitter, unattractive old woman who uh she clearly had nothing better to do.

SPEAKER_03 29:18

So well, let me stop you there.

SPEAKER_00 29:20

She's two years older than me. And honest to God, she looks 20, 20 years older at least.

SPEAKER_03 29:26

Karma has dealt. See, that's the thing. When somebody does something like that to you or harms you intentionally, you don't have to do anything. Whether you call it reaping and sowing, yeah, if you believe the biblical version or if you believe in the universe and karma, it's all the same thing. It what goes around comes around. Yeah. And so you're gonna get it. And I believe karma is dealing with that. I don't ever have to do anything. Right. I just sit back and say, you know what? The universe has got this.

SPEAKER_00 29:53

I love it. And that's exactly what happened. So from the time that she posted that to the time that you did a press release, you know, what was that time frame? Was it a week? Was it in a month? Like, what was the time frame for that?

SPEAKER_03 30:07

It was about two days. Wow. It was about two days. I let Ryan know that's what I wanted to do, and they drafted it and I approved it. And meanwhile, now, meanwhile, my regular, my personal Facebook has never been taken down. I will not, I will not hide, I will not be ashamed. Right. You found out what I started getting messages. Hey, somebody's using your pictures. Oh my god, you need to stop doing this. You take this down. What are you thinking? You're a slut, you're a whore, you're going to hell. The judge. All the things. The judge. Like the girl, it was it was insane. And so with every person that I would talk to, I wasn't trying to convince them I was in the right. I was trying to ensure them that I don't give a fuck what they think. They're not paying my bills. At that point, I was already making thousands after being in it in May. We're talking about August. I was already making thousands. I was making more than I was making at my job, you know, by the end of the year, and I had a six-figure job. So, you know, doing the math, baby, if you're not paying my bills, right? I don't give a fuck. If I want to let somebody watch my boyfriend eat my pussy till I squirt in his face, that's my business. Exactly. That's my business. And it was my boyfriend. That's the other thing. Like that's true. I don't judge anybody for what they do. And a lot of people have multiple partners and they create content with people. That's their thing. I'm monogamous. I've always been monogamous. I have not had sex with anybody but my ex in years. I haven't. I just don't. I don't fuck around. Well, I mean, on online, I have sex with lots of people, but uh, okay. Yeah, no, it all happens on the internet. The magic of the internet, baby. He was fucking me with my fuck machine, not real life. Oh, you're kidding me. No, it's all on stream, baby. Okay. It's all on stream. I know.

SPEAKER_00 31:58

No, I'm celibate. I I well, good for you. I need to take it one step back. Tell me what all you cover in your in your web repertoire. Your your porn. What all do you cover? Everything. So obviously sex, right? I assume blowjobs, you know, the whole oral sex, but basically all of the sex stuff.

SPEAKER_03 32:19

And that was with the facials, cowgirl, reverse cowgirl, every position you can think of, bondage, domination, humiliation. The video that got me kicked off OnlyFans was an extreme discipline humiliation video. Oh. Yeah, it's on Fansley though. They didn't, they don't care. Yeah. So it's still on Fansley. But yes, like so. I'm I'm a streamer and a content creator. And it's funny because I became a streamer I against my will. I had a friend who took my OnlyFans course that I had a few years back, which I don't do anymore. But she took my course, we met, and she was a streamer and a and a really, and I mean really successful streamer on this app called Clapper and this other one called Fanbase. And so she kept saying you need to stream. And I was like, there is no way in hell. Right. I'm I create content. I don't have any desire like watching her. I was like, you can do that. Like I went and moderated for her a couple times in my lingerie, and I was like, oh my God, I feel more exposed doing this than I do with my ass get meeting in front of a thousand people in a video, you know, like I'm not doing this. Well, what happened was though she was like, You just try it, just try it. So, like May of last year, I said, Okay, she had a course, and I took her course so I could give her a review because she took mine and I started doing it. And when I tell you, I started making a thousand dollars a day, five hundred to a thousand dollars a day, twenty hours a week. I streamed 20 hours a week for about eight months, and then I took a break. Yeah, and I'll tell you, so I streamed in May to November, and then I took a break, and I came back in January, and until fan base was kicked off the app store, which was in June, I made about $120,000, $130,000.

SPEAKER_00 34:05

Amazing.

SPEAKER_03 34:05

And I'm talking 20 hours a week. I never worked more than that. Well, when did you work on that? Yeah, when did you? Oh, I quit my day job in early 2024. When it came to the point where I could see I was already making more money doing this, yeah, it it started to be well, if I had that time that I spend, because I was devoted to my day job. Yeah. I did that too. I am too jumping.

SPEAKER_01 34:30

I am very devoted, yeah, completely.

SPEAKER_03 34:32

And so, well, you know, you at some point you think, if I had that time to devote to this, how much more could this grow?

SPEAKER_01 34:40

Right.

SPEAKER_03 34:40

So I was lucky though, because I started streaming in May. And in July, on one crazy ass July morning, I opened up my email to find out I had been suspended from my OnlyFans.

SPEAKER_01 34:54

Oh my God.

SPEAKER_03 34:55

And girl, when I tell you timing, the universe once again took care of me because I'd started streaming and I'd already started five figure months the very first month. So it was like, okay, I didn't know they were gonna ever let me come back, but I badgered them until they finally said it was a year and they let me come back after 10 months, 11 months. But yeah, it was just all a big uh circle of how things worked out, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 35:21

See, and I do believe that the world or whatever you believe in, right, has a path for us. I absolutely believe that. So I'm with you on that. Did when the first time you were streaming, did you do it like with your friend or I'm not your lover? I'm talking about your friend who was doing it, or did you do it alone? Like, what did you do the very first time? And were you nervous?

SPEAKER_03 35:43

The very first time I was extremely nervous, extremely. Um now, Cam and I did do live streams last summer. We were still fucking on and off for pretty much all oh, forever. I don't want to get into the time frame. But anyway, we were doing shows together last summer.

SPEAKER_02 35:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 35:59

He would come down to where I lived in Northport and stay the weekend, and we would film content and do shows and hang out. But uh, my very first show was a co-stream, as they called it. So it's not you're not together, nobody lives nearby. You're one person's on one camera and then there's like split screen and the other's on the other, but you're both working off a menu, you both have fuck machines, you know, tip controlled toys. Right now I have a fuck machine and nine more tip controlled toys like the butt plug, the nipple clamps, clip vibes, panty vibes, all the things. I all the things.

SPEAKER_00 36:34

I need to go watch your porn. I need I need tell me how do I okay, when you tell people you're going to live stream, where do you do that? Do you do it on X? Like, where do you do it?

SPEAKER_03 36:44

No, not at all. Oh no. No, we're doing it so bad. I lost my 24k X account because I showed my ass. And I know there's straight up porn on there. Right. Yeah, ton. So no, so I was streaming exclusively on fan base.

SPEAKER_02 36:58

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 36:59

But but they got delisted from the Apple App Store in June, I believe it was. It's been over a month now, so it's had to be the end of June. So now I've been streaming on my OnlyFans, which thank God, right when that happened, I got my OnlyFans by June 19th, and Apple got delisted, or Apple delisted fan base, exactly. So I started live streaming on my OnlyFans. Now, my OnlyFans, once they take you, they suspended me, but they didn't delete my account. Yeah. So I still have all those people that I follow who used to subscribe to me. I still have access to all of them. I can message them. Yeah. And we're talking like almost 12,000 people at this point.

SPEAKER_02 37:39

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 37:40

So I do have a warm market to market to and get, you know, get back into my OnlyFans while I'm out here trying to find, you know, new people like we always do. So I've been really fortunate with that. But I also started streaming on strip cam strip chat. I almost said it wrong. Strip chat is a new one for me. My free cams, chatterbait, and cam soda are the big four that I am starting to stream on. Because I don't believe fanbase is ever coming back. I I just don't. There were some allegations of it's it's run by different room owners, have their own rooms in there. Some people were doing some terrible things, and everybody is now paying the price. There were some child porn people on there. Oh no. And I guess, well, and I mean Apple doesn't allow adult content, which is why OnlyFans isn't an app. Right. Right. We should have been prepared for this because Apple finally laid the smack down. And I don't think it's ever coming back.

SPEAKER_00 38:47

Yeah, I agree with you on that. I I don't see that happening. So okay, I just have so many questions. When you go live, do you go do you go live on all of those at once?

SPEAKER_03 38:57

Like well, you can. I haven't been because I'm new to these other platforms. I've been doing one at a time. I would never do my OnlyFans with another one, but I will starting tomorrow be I'm gonna start with two. So tomorrow I'll be live on Strip Cam and Chatterbake together. And if that goes well, I will add my free cam. So yes, you can go live on more than one at once. And then eventually I add in cam soda.

SPEAKER_02 39:23

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 39:24

I think most of the big streamers do multiple streaming. They do. And so I'm no different. I'm gonna be doing that. I've had a great, I just started on strip chat yesterday, and I've had a great couple days. Like really great.

SPEAKER_00 39:38

I love that for you.

SPEAKER_03 39:39

So yeah, I'm not scared of anything, girl. I'll do anything. Good. So what you do is, you know, the room opens up and I'm in lingerie. I usually go ahead and start out with the fuck machine inside me, but my legs aren't spread. They gotta buzz me or tip me something off my menu. Yeah, to be able to see.

SPEAKER_01 39:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 39:56

Yeah. And to get my titties out. And of course, if they buzz me, then you know, my vibrator on my clip goes off and my fuck machine goes off and we go to town.

SPEAKER_00 40:05

I'm gonna watch. I cannot wait to watch. Oh, you're gonna love it.

SPEAKER_03 40:09

It's wild.

SPEAKER_00 40:10

You text me tomorrow. I'm sure I'm gonna have to like sign in and do my ID and all that crap too.

SPEAKER_03 40:15

But yeah, you do have to give your ID. But I mean it's it's pretty, I think it's facial verification if you're not trying to be a model.

SPEAKER_00 40:21

Okay, cool. And that's I don't care either way. I I mean, look, it's research for the show. I want to know what you and I don't want to make you uncomfortable, and I don't think I would because we have a good relationship. But I mean, do you have any women who watch you?

SPEAKER_03 40:35

I had a woman today come watch me who I know in real life. Oh my god. She's she's been on my fan base before, and we're very, we're good friends, nothing. Obviously, I'm not um bisexual, but not romantic at all, but we're just friends, and you know, she's a lesbian, and uh we're just dear friends, and she's come to my fam shows and tipped me before. And so we were talking today, and she said, What are you doing? I said, I'm getting ready to go live on strip chat. She said, Strip chat. I was like, Oh yeah, and so she came in and she was my first tipper today. Um, it's not weird or awkward at all. I'm just it's body parts, like I'm a performer, first of all. And second of all, I'm not ashamed of my body.

SPEAKER_00 41:14

You shouldn't be, it's beautiful.

SPEAKER_03 41:16

Oh, thank you. I mean, I've you know, I'm not in the best shape, not in the best shape I was, even, but I I don't really accept my job as a workout.

SPEAKER_00 41:26

Right, exactly. And and quite frankly, at a at a certain point in age, I don't give a fuck anymore, to be honest.

SPEAKER_03 41:33

Well, I mean, you're gonna be seen naked every day. You kind of give a little fuck. Okay, but I mean, I do have to I I watch what I eat, but I've always been like that. But I don't overdo the workouts because I mean holding my legs up in the air and spread. I mean, I oh yeah, I do all the things, you know. So I'm getting exercise every day. You're getting your cardio for sure. Yeah, I I do have a home gym, but I haven't been using it that much with everything that's been going on. But yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:00

So when you so when you're live streaming and they want they want to do something, they you know, show us your tits, you know, spread your legs, you know, push the sex machine in and out. How much, and you can tell me you it's none of my business, but like how much do you charge for them to run the sex machine and then how long do they get to do it?

SPEAKER_03 42:19

So it I have things set differently on different platforms depending on the market. That's fair. But the length of the buzz and the strength of the buzz is going to be pretty much the same. So, like, for example, three dollars on OnlyFans will get you a five-second buzz. It buzzes the vibrator, it buzzes the butt machine, all connected toys, whatever I have going on. Okay. If I got the nipple clamps on, if I got the butt plug-ins, it activates all of them.

SPEAKER_02 42:45

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 42:46

And then $25 might be a 30-second ultra high buzz.

SPEAKER_01 42:50

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 42:51

And you know, $50 might be a two-minute ultra high buzz. It just depends. And then the token sites, you can go when you go in strip chat, you can hit the little red dot at the bottom by the chat box and it pops my menu up. You can see all the things that you can make me do. And I love this site because it's so easy. I have my menu embedded in it.

SPEAKER_02 43:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 43:13

And so the machine is automatic. You know, they do the tip and the machines and the toys go.

SPEAKER_02 43:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 43:18

But whatever they've tipped for beyond that, it pops up on the screen and tells me what they tipped for. Whether it's tell me I'm a you know, telling me I'm a good girl or telling me to give myself a hand necklace or whatever, smack my ass with the paddle.

SPEAKER_00 43:31

So it's just it's the the guy that pays $50 but the gets the same live stream as the guy who did three dollars, right? I mean, it doesn't do they all see the same thing or not?

SPEAKER_03 43:42

They do see the same thing. However, we do remove non tippers. If somebody tips and they tip a fair amount, they can watch, but they're not they're not there to just watch.

SPEAKER_01 43:52

Right.

SPEAKER_03 43:53

The psychology of the live stream is the interaction with the model. You're the one making me feel. You're the one who's got my attention because you're fucking me right now. Like I'm telling you, Daddy, give it to me harder. I want you to come and my pussy don't pull out. I want you running out of me all night. You, not the other guy that paid three dollars. You because you did that. Right. Because you made me squirt. That's that's why they, you know, that's why they do it. That's the gratification. They love to make me come. They want to see me come. They get off too, but they love giving me pleasure.

SPEAKER_00 44:29

And it's so hot. You can't see them, correct?

SPEAKER_03 44:32

No. Well, there are situations when you can. There are certain sites where they can take me private and we can do cam to cam.

SPEAKER_02 44:39

Oh.

SPEAKER_03 44:40

But um, like on OnlyFans, the only the one-on-one that I have tomorrow will be cam to cam. But you can't do that directly on OnlyFans. They have to pay there though, or it's against the site policy. Wow. But no, for the most part, a live stream is names. Names. Okay. Yeah. But I do, you know, you get to know people after they come and they tip and we talk and they get prizes. I give prizes.

SPEAKER_01 45:05

You do? Like what kind of prizes?

SPEAKER_03 45:07

Of course. Porn prizes, like videos, a dick rating. Hold on a second.

SPEAKER_00 45:13

Oh, well, it's fine. Believe me, my two were just in here playing too. So don't even worry about it. Okay, sorry.

SPEAKER_03 45:19

So it might be a video, it might be a dick rating, it might be it could be how many guys want a dick rating? A lot of them.

SPEAKER_00 45:30

No.

SPEAKER_03 45:31

All of them. With the I would say 80% of men want to show me their dick. That or in my show.

SPEAKER_00 45:36

You know, that is so wild, just being in that dating world while while I was. That I mean, guys would text me and they'd be like, Can I just send you a picture of me jacking off or a video? And I'd be like, No, I don't want to see that.

SPEAKER_03 45:49

No, go pay somebody for that. Go pay Ray Richmond for that. Like that's what I think you pay for.

SPEAKER_00 45:54

I mean, the I mean, if it was the man I was seeing, absolutely send me all the videos of you jacking off that you want. But the person that I don't know, or I mean, and I get so many, it's it's crazy. But and I'm not complaining. I'm not. I'm just saying if you were paying me for it, it was a different thing, which I've never done. So I'll talk to you about that offline.

SPEAKER_03 46:17

Yeah, for sure. Well, you know the other thing about it though, I will tell you this it is hot. It is hot when somebody has absolutely wrecked me.

SPEAKER_01 46:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 46:26

And they want to show me, you know, I I don't take dick pics unless they're unless you're paying for a rating. I have filters on almost all my platforms that I don't see the picture, it's blurred unless I unblur it. And so unless they're paying me for a rating, I do not look at dick pics. So let me get that out there before everybody in the world. Right, start sending that. Yeah. If somebody has gotten me off so hard and they have fucked me so good, yeah. I, you know, I it's hot to see what I did to them. No, I see the mess that they made, you know, with me getting fucked and them making me squirt and they jacked off till they shot a big load. I mean, that's a hot feeling.

SPEAKER_00 47:04

Yeah. Well, it to have that kind of power. And I'm sure that's what they're experiencing, also, is that they have the power to control you and get you off, and you're clearly doing that for them. So let's go back to the dick ratings for just a minute. So how much I can can I ask you how much you charge them for that, or is it it depends?

SPEAKER_03 47:26

Well, I do a couple kinds, but the best one is video naked dick rating.

SPEAKER_00 47:30

Okay, I want to know.

SPEAKER_03 47:31

And I'm doing those, they're just at like a couple minutes, they're not super long. Yeah. Okay. So video naked dick rating is $30.

SPEAKER_01 47:40

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 47:41

It's like a minute and a half, two minutes long. It's not very long. And but that's a live video, or you just they give you a video. No, I just they I they do I do the video naked and tell them what I think of their dick pics. Okay, got it. So with the knee naked, but it's just like a minute or two, it's not anything crazy. Yeah. If they want something more in depth, of course, customs are priced accordingly. My customs start at $150 for five minutes.

SPEAKER_00 48:05

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 48:05

And they go up from there, that's vanilla. If it's not vanilla, it's gonna be more than that. Now, if they're a big, big daddy and they have spent a ton of tokens or money on me, yeah, they're gonna get that shit for free. Because I get prizes based on how much they did.

SPEAKER_00 48:22

Interesting. I'm so fascinated. Look, I want to rate dicks.

SPEAKER_03 48:26

Yeah, it's a lot of fun. It is a lot of fun, and most of them are very proud to show them to you.

SPEAKER_00 48:32

Well, that's amazing. I literally laughed. You you just brought back a long ago memory for me that a friend of a couple friends of mine in the business world, but we were friends outside of work too. Every time I would get a dick pic, I would send it to the two of them. And, you know, they were both big executives at other companies. And, you know, it would never feel like they are like, we're never opening the group text while we're in a meeting. Because one time, the one person who was an executive at Bath and Body Works, way up the chain, she opened it and she and it was a video that some guy had sent to me of his dick. Oh my well. I would just randomly send them to them. And that was the first time that she opened it in a meeting, and she was like, Oh my god, I was horrified. She couldn't get it closed fast enough. But the three of us would rate them, and we actually I kept them for years and years in a separate folder. They were just dick pics or videos or whatever, and uh we called it the gallery, it was the art gallery.

SPEAKER_03 49:35

Oh my god, that's hysterical.

SPEAKER_00 49:38

That's so damn funny. Now, now I want to do this with you. I want to rate their decks.

SPEAKER_03 49:43

I mean, I think you would love it. It's a lot of fun. I, you know, at first I was kind of apprehensive or shy about some of the things that I'm doing now, and it's just like everyday life, but that's it. It's like it's who I am, but it's not who I am. You know what I mean? Like it's not, I don't sit around, like contrary to what I know, I'm probably gonna bust some bubbles right now. But I'm sitting here in my little pajamas. They did come from Victoria's Secret, but they are not sexy. And I am, you know, not I got my hair back in a ponytail, and I'm not particularly sexy right now. Well, right off camera is not.

SPEAKER_00 50:22

Yeah, I get that. Yeah, you look, being sexy is a state of mind. And I've always said that my entire life. Like when men tell me I'm pretty, I'm like, you know what? I don't care about pretty. Pretty fades. Tell me I'm sexy. And when I walk into a room, know that I'm gonna own that motherfucking room and there's not gonna be anybody sexier there. And I know that about myself. And and men love that. They love that confidence, they love that, you know, they love the fact that I'm sexy and and exuded too. The dick rating, uh, and I'm loving that, like literally that, and that's what we did. We just didn't charge for it. And we actually made fun of ourselves. And and the other thing we would do is like we'd look at the background. We weren't even care, we didn't even care about the guy or his dick. It was like, why does he have his grandma's lace curtains in the background?

SPEAKER_03 51:07

Oh my goodness. Well, you know, but you mentioned something funny that we that they get charged extra for, and that is small penis humiliation. Oh, okay. So a lot of guys want you, yeah, they want you to degrade their dick. They want to be a cuck. That's a huge kink. Sometimes when I am getting fucked on the fuck machine, I'm pretty much, you know, I'm I'm big into dirty talk.

SPEAKER_01 51:30

Yeah, me too.

SPEAKER_03 51:31

And I have regular people who come in and they know that I'll say, if they buzz me, I'll say what they want me to say. You know, and so the a lot of them want me to tell them that they can't satisfy me with their little cock, and that this cock is so much better, that's fucking me, and that they can never have this pussy, and to keep that little dick over there and how pitiful it is. And yeah, I mean, that's not my thing. I would never say that to somebody, right? But they want it because that's me to say that. Yeah, that's their kink, and so I'm happy to fulfill that. But people do have all different kinds of things.

SPEAKER_00 52:07

I want to know them all. You and I you and I are gonna have a you uh pegging. I did a show on pegging. I have a girl who does it, she charges for it, and it was actually for a very long time my number one show. And even still to this day, it's in the top four always. And keep it keep in mind it's 85 or 86 percent may men who listen to my show. The I think the other 14% are the women who are going back and talking to uh other women about me.

SPEAKER_03 52:40

Well, I mean, my my I've never pegged anyone. One of my exes, and I won't say which one, and it's not the most recent one, it's not Cam, but he wanted to be pegged, and we went so far as to buy the stuff. Yeah, and then we never did it. We split up after that, and I ended up throwing it away because I just couldn't foresee myself ever using it. It was before I was in the sex industry. So but yeah, it was it was his fantasy, and I mean, men's G spot is in their ass. Right, exactly. And that's these prostate toys. Cam has a controllable Levin's prostate toy. In fact, when we did shows together, people would buzz his ass when they were buzzing my pussy.

SPEAKER_00 53:17

Wow, that's wild. Oh, I mean, literally, I have so many questions. We could go on for another hour. I don't know. What time do you have to get off? And you know, like I really want to be respectful of that. I'm good. No, I'm good. My like I said, my pegging show was number one for months. And then as we matured more as, you know, a podcast, other other shows became number one. Uh, the one if the one that we did, oh my god, this one, and I hate this show. It was about eating pussy, and it was myself, a friend of mine named Ray, and then this other woman who was a lesbian. So I'm like, I want to hear, you know, what's the difference kind of thing. And I still hate the show to this day, but it's it stays right, it's number, it was number one for a long time after the pegging. And then, but every now and then, like right now, it's up in the top three again. I'm like, I hate that show because I'm gonna have to go listen to it. No, it's horrible. It is one of our first shows, uh, like when I was first doing it, and I and I'm like you, I cringe when I look at those now because it's so much different. You had a an online class, right? Or was it online for creators like to teach them how to do OnlyFans or whatever it was, right? Yes, I did. And why don't you do that anymore?

SPEAKER_03 54:35

The creator success course was started because I had so many people who were first of all fascinated because I was the age that I was doing this, and second of all, because I went so crazy, so fast and so successful. And so I launched it in December of 23. I hadn't been in the industry that long, but I have a pretty good system, and I don't want to give away what it is on what it is offline, but I have a pretty good system for how to promote it, how to sustain it, and it's been very, very good to me. I still do the same exact thing, and so I wanted to help people. Yeah, I come from a background of corporate training and quality, got it, and so I thought I can put an online course together, it'll be easy. Yeah, and I can tell them, I can do a group, you know, we can have a group where I can answer their questions, and it'll be great. And in theory, it was great, and it helped a lot of people. A couple of people who are also over 50, by the way, have become very successful in the industry. Wow. Who were former students and one was a coaching client, and she is killing it, she was killing it, and she still is.

SPEAKER_02 55:42

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 55:43

And then I had people who wouldn't do anything that I suggested, didn't put any of the work in, and then blame me because they weren't making money. And you know, my course was a scam, my course was a fraud. I hate it. Did you do this? Did you do that? Did you do this? No. Okay, well, I can't imagine what the problem could be. Right. But eventually I realized you can help people who don't want to help themselves. And in any profession, I'm not downing people in the sex industry at all. In any profession, you are gonna have some people who are go-getters, yeah, and you're gonna have some people who are gonna do the least that they can possibly do and blame everything else for their failure. And there was just too much of that for me to continue to spend my time and my resources, it just was no longer worth it because again, it was taking time away from building my own brand.

SPEAKER_01 56:31

Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 56:32

And at that point, I was still, you know, I was six months in, I was fairly new, but I mean, I was killing it. Yeah. So I wanted to spend that time building and continuing to foster my brand growth. And so that's what I decided to do.

SPEAKER_00 56:44

So without giving away secrets, like what's the number one thing that most new creators get wrong?

SPEAKER_03 56:52

Oh, they chat with everybody endlessly trying to convince them to subscribe.

SPEAKER_00 56:57

Oh, interesting.

SPEAKER_03 56:58

So they're you do not do that. Oh my god, please don't do that. Listen, I will give this free advice. If somebody sees you and your half naked pictures on social media and they read your bio and they won't go spend the $14.99, walk the fuck away because there's a thousand more that will, because you're never gonna convince someone. There you do, they want free samples, first of all, guys like that, not just guys, whoever, women, men, whatever. They either are trying to talk you into free content, they're trying to waste your time, they're gonna try to use you as a free sex worker and get stroke material or sexy chat, and you're never gonna convince them. So I I don't do it. I don't do it to this day. Yeah, I mean, if they don't see my stuff, they get one message back from me and it's got my website. If that does not lead them to subscribe to me, I'm I'm done with them. Like I'm just done. I don't go back and I don't write. Yeah, I won't. I still have messages, people still faithfully that I haven't responded to since 2023 and are still trying to get me to write them back instead of just going and subscribing. Because I chat, I chat with my people who subscribe to me. Heck yeah. I spend time with them, and that's how I get these video calls and all these things that I do because I love chatting with people that are subscribed. Yeah, I will not chat with preloaders, so if you support me, I will reward you so richly.

SPEAKER_00 58:29

I love that. That's amazing, and thank you for sharing that because I think that's important. You know, one time a long time ago, at the beginning of my career, maybe the middle part of it, one of the people I worked with closely said he had a he had a sand timer on his desk and it was three minutes. And he said, anybody that walks into here better be gone in three minutes. Like tell me time is your time is so valuable that they either need to get to the point or say what the problem is, fix the problem, whatever it is, but they've got three minutes. And I love that. I'm like, you know what? Just don't waste your time with people. There's no reason to, you know.

SPEAKER_03 59:08

Well, there's another side of that too, and that is time is a finite resource. And I had at one point before I lost some of my huge accounts, over a million follower followers on all of my socials. If I sat and answered every DM from everybody who was trying to BS with me all day, I would not get anything done. I would never make another video, I would never get a live stream done. Right. I would just be sitting here endlessly chatting with people on social media and my brand would die.

SPEAKER_00 59:35

Okay, that is so weird. Men get so mad at me because they DM me on my social media accounts and stuff, and I don't answer any of them. I I just don't I don't have time for it. I mean, I I work a very intense day job, and I and at night it's the last thing I want to do. I'm like, look, I I'm glad you want to talk and I really do appreciate you and all of those things, but I just don't have time to do it. So I'm with you on that because it all it's doing is sucking your time away from something else that we need to be doing.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:04

Oh, for sure. And I do have a solution for that. I'll tell you what that is offline.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:08

Okay, perfect. Don't let me forget. Um so from day one until now, tell me how your strategy has changed or evolved, maybe. Evolve, I like evolved. I think it's evolved, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:00:25

Well, I've had to evolve because of the setbacks in my career in one form or another.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:30

And I think being resilient and recognizing the changes in both the market and the social media platforms, because it's become much more difficult to grow and sustain these socials. They are public enemy number one as sex workers these days. Yeah. And so you have to not get attached to social media. It's like, do not after I lost that huge account, it had well, it was huge to me, and I wasn't that far into the business, you know, into my journey, and it had 258,000 followers. And the day it went down, I thought I was gonna lose my damn mind.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:06

Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:06

Because it was all my eggs were in that basket. I had one tiny backup account.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:11

Now I have well, at one point I had 24 Instagrams. It swittled down to they've deleted those until I have about eight. Yeah. But yes, but I have multiples of everything. Yeah. And if I ever go down again, you know, my backups have enough followers that they don't look like brand new accounts. And so my strategy has evolved in that I don't put all my eggs in one basket that way. And after losing both OnlyFans and fan base, I will never put all my eggs in one platform. I agree. It's easy to do when things are going well. Right. You focus on what's working and you never dream that that's going to go away. It's happened to me twice.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:52

Yeah, well, look, our girl Ellie, she's on here a lot. We have a lot of fun with her. She is a huge OnlyFans model, right? I mean, she has probably eight to ten backup accounts on every platform, every social media. I mean, sh well, you know, she had one of hers taken away, and it's a hard lesson to learn, but she learned she learned it and she has doubled down now, which, you know, good for her. I do think that social, I mean, clearly they're they're targeting, you know, people sex workers. You know, we're not gonna we're not gonna make you available to all of these people who would probably be interested. So and it's all the algorithms and stuff. I just I hate it. There has to be something better.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:37

And well, there's a that's ludicrous though, and here's why. That is why these platforms thrive. Oh, I know. That the men are not on these apps because they want to see half-naked women. Of course they are. Of course they are. Do you think they're on there to watch cat videos and rock bands? No. If there were not bikini clad OnlyFans models and lingerie models on these reels, nobody would give a fuck.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:02

I agree.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:02

And if the women weren't watching the third strap and men with their shirts off at the gym, the women wouldn't care. Right. So it's ridiculous. We are boy they exist, and yet we are the target. Yeah. If that makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:15

Yeah, it it doesn't. It really does not at all. And the only thing I always think about is you know, you have your own website, website, right? Like it's rayrichmond.com and it's rhythm.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:25

I have seven. I have seven domains because they get blacklisted. And so oh yeah, oh god. Milfi Cookies is me. Ray Richmond.live is the one I'm using now.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:37

Why do they get blacklisted?

SPEAKER_03 1:03:39

Because once Instagram flags you as adult content, that domain will forever be something they won't allow you to ever post a link. Oh I've lost links for a month on Instagram for posting that domain. And once I figured that out, I switched the domain, everything's good. So periodically I rotate them out for a new one.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:58

Wow. I did not know, I didn't know they would block, you know, blacklist your domain.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:02

Oh my god. And I'll tell you something else. TikTok, you cannot put anything adult adjacent on TikTok. So on TikTok, I have to send them to rayrichman.live is actually a link page that is just one link and it's the link to rayrichmond.com.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:18

Got it.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:18

So I link them to rayrichmond.live and it says all my socials are here. Yeah. And they have to click one more time. So I double link and they cannot. Well, they don't.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:26

Well, they don't bother. Oh my god. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:29

Well, I'm sure they will eventually. But for right now, they don't bother me. So I'm double linking. And sure, it cuts down though. That one extra step cuts down on traffic, I'm sure. Yeah. Because they get there and they don't immediately see my OnlyFans.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:41

Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:42

And they're like, fuck it. I don't want to go there. I don't want to quit. So they go away. But on the other hand, you don't want to give them too many choices because choices are a good thing. But when you're trying to use something as a traffic funnel, you get analysis paralysis if there's too many options. So I don't have my TikTok, my Instagram, and all that. That's not on my website. What's on my website is my OnlyFans, my family, all my streaming platforms. Got it. Okay. No plain socials.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:09

No, you said that you and Cam are no longer together. So you're no longer creating content together, right? So how how are you recently? What's that? Not recently. Not recently. Okay. So, but do you I mean, how are you going to continue your content stuff? Or does that just not even matter anymore? And it's the it's the live streaming.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:29

Well, it matters, but I have so much content with Cam. I have content I haven't even released yet. Amazing. I just released four blowjob compilations over the past two weeks that are brand new. And I gave him a lot of head. And so I have a lot of videos of that. And you know, there's just so much of it. And that the unfortunately I do a lot of really loyal people.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:53

But this business by nature is churn and bird. Oh, yeah, definitely. Love you. And then they move on to the next thing. And I do have people. That have been with me since the very beginning.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:02

But my content is new to all the new people.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:05

True. And Ellie told me like the average person on OnlyFans, and let me tell you, she has hundreds of thousands of people, I guess, that follow her. I mean, I don't know the exact numbers, but she said that the average person is on there for 30 days and that's it.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:23

Oh yeah. Uh-huh. And especially that's why you don't do a free trial. Because you think you're going to do a free trial and that they're going to stick around. But really, all they're doing, because I do nudity.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:32

I do full nudity, tits, ass, pussy, everything on my page in my OnlyFans. So when they subscribe, they get access to all of that. And clips, you know, naked clips, playing with my titties, playing with my pussy, all that. So I'm not going to give that to somebody. I did when I first came back just to get some of the people back that I had had previously. Yeah. But if you give it to them, they're going to take that free month, and a lot of them are not going to subscribe after that.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:57

Agreed.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:58

So you've got to keep that's the thing. You've got to keep finding new people. And to those people, my content is brand new. I just somebody today who subscribed to my VIP Fansley, which is all my content unlocked on the wall. And he was just like, Oh my God. He had a gold awe of all of it. Yeah. And it's it's, you know, he didn't, you know, he had to ask, Are you and this man still together? No, we're not still together. We are friends, but we're not together anymore. And so, yeah, it's all still there. It all still exists and it's all new. Yeah, it's new to the new people.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:31

That's amazing. Really, it is. Now, are you on like Pornhub or anything? Like any of the porn sites?

SPEAKER_03 1:07:38

I'm not. I wasn't initially because of my my children.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:42

I don't I don't have any nudity in the public space other than my streaming. Good. I know that those things get videotaped and they're out there, but I also have a takedown service that will take those down viciously if they find them or if I report them. So that that's a thing. But I have a Pornhub account and I did like toy reviews and I had some lingerie modeling, but I took it down. Like I just I still have an account, but I took all the things off of it because honestly, it doesn't lead to people subscribing.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:14

Right, because it's free.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:16

They're seeing the free stuff and they're they're jacking off to my titties through my lingerie, and they're not gonna subscribe. So no.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:23

Totally agree with that. Did so let's talk about you said you had some work done. Like, have you had any body cosmetic procedures, only face? Like, what have you done?

SPEAKER_03 1:08:33

Where should we start? Okay, so I had my first cosmetic procedures in 1998 when I was 32.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:41

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:41

I was 31. I was 31, because I'm born in December, and I had my breast implants, I had a tummy tuck, and I had lipo to my outer thighs. Yep, so you had a mommy makeover. I did before that was what that was called. Right. And so that was 1998, and then the next thing I had done was 2023. I had deep plane facelift, neck lift, upper and lower eyelid lift, and fat transfer to my cheeks.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:11

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:12

Four weeks later, which let me tell you, that was too soon. I'll tell you why. I had a BBL, flew to Miami for the BBL. I have a wonderful doctor here in Tampa who did my face, and he's still the only person I trust for fillers, Botox, anything. Dr. Reyes at Rejuvenate the Face. He's awesome, and he loves it when I come in for Botox because I'm like his little old lady that he made look young again. No, he's really sweet though. Yeah. He he really is. He's a good guy. He's hot. So wait anyway. So you had a BBL. Like, is that the laser for your face? No, BBL Brazilian butt lips. Oh my god. Okay, this crap. But I did have a laser on my face. I did have, he did the laser. So the surgery on my face and neck was in July. And then the following February, I had the laser from chest to forehead. And I'm gonna have that redone again very soon. Yeah, because it was a they were.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:07

But it's but man, did they hurt like hell? I hope.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:10

No, but it really didn't. I didn't. I didn't. My CO2, I was good to go in like four days, and it only hurt for like a day.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:17

Wow, that's good to know. It was deep to me. I laughed because a lot of these girls that I bring in here to interview, the first time they come and see me in person, every single one of them have asked me if I've had a BBL. And at first I thought they were talking about the laser thing, right? Or whatever it is. And I'm like, and they're like, no, your ass, like your ass is so naturally round. And for years, people have told me that I have a black girl ass. I don't know where it came from. I don't. I don't exercise enough to make it happen. So it must be genetic and natural.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:52

You lucky duck. That's amazing. It's it is well, my butt. I see here's the thing. I was so skinny. I'm not skinny like that, but when I was had all this done, I was skinny three years ago. Yeah. So I didn't have that much fat to to use in my butt. They took it out of my you know, flanks and my back, but I'd already had a tummy tuck. Oh, okay. So there wasn't a ton of fat there. So I had 360 lipo, and then they put that in my butt. So I've just I look better with a little bit of weight, like the shape I am now. Yeah, I don't look good super skinny. I look back at some of my older content. I was too thin. My face, you know, was thin, and when you get to be a certain age, I don't think that thin face does you any favor.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:34

So totally.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:35

Yeah, so I think the size I am now is the size I plan to stay. Um, and it does help fill out my booty too. But yeah, I the reason I say no about the four weeks is because I was still healing. My doctor cleared me to go to my um to Miami and get the BBL. But what we didn't think about was you stay face down for days of that surgery. And everything in my face, I retained all that fluid came right back up to those surgical sites, and my face swelled up like the girl in Willy Wonka that ate the blueberry.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:07

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:08

And chewed the gum. Yeah, it was horrible. I was looking at the pictures today.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:13

Uh but I've heard the BBLs in general are just extremely dangerous to do, also, and they're horrible, like you just to get through them, you know, from a recovery.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:23

You know, I don't necessarily agree with that. I think it depends on who you have and how they do it. If they do it with the ultrasound to guide them around the the spots that can cause issues, like the blood vessels and things like that, and the nerves and whatever. I think that makes it a lot more safe. And my recovery from it, it hurt, but it wasn't any worse than anything else I had then.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:45

So you did the majority of that after you started your basically your business, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:12:51

Yes, two months after.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:53

Two months after. That's amazing. And then like you did you, and you said you had gray hair at one point in time, because you don't now, obviously. No, it's brown. It started brown. Well, you couldn't have been recording during then, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:13:06

Oh yeah, I was. You were? Yeah, we started filming in 20. We started filming late 2022. Like some of my earliest videos are from 2022, and some of my earliest porn, I am long gray hair, wrinkles, everything. No way. That's that's when I started. Yeah, I launched in May before I had any of this done. I became popular before I had any of this done.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:31

Okay, and then what did your fans think of the of the transformation?

SPEAKER_03 1:13:35

Well, I think there was a little bit of shock, but it's really helped me reach a larger market. I think at first, you know, I was worried because they were into me because I was older, but I think because I really am my age, they don't really it it really doesn't bother them. You know what I mean? It doesn't make it any less appealing because I actually am almost 60. Yeah, even though some people don't believe it. I have people question it every day.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:01

Yeah, so you invested in yourself. Now that's a tax write-off, right? You can do all that.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:06

Well, it is, it is. But you know, I planned to do that before I ever got in the industry though.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:10

Well, that's fine. I would have still taken the tax. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:14

Yeah, no, I bit yes, I did, of course. But I planned it for me. Like at the time I was in my 40s, I knew that when I hit a certain age I would get it done. It didn't have anything to do with Cam. A lot of people think it was because he was younger.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:29

No, I think.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:30

But it didn't, you know, he loved me before I got it done, and he didn't, you know, care one way or the other. Yeah. But it made me feel better about myself.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:40

I yeah, I get that. And believe me, I thought the same thing for years. Like this podcast had nothing at all. I've done I did all my stuff before this podcast. So now interestingly enough, though, the last two men that I have been in a relationship with are very much younger than me, too. So, but that really had nothing to do with it either. It was about how it made me feel and what I wanted to look like. And I always knew that I was going to do it too, just like you. Interesting. Your relationship with your own body, how has it changed from before you, you know, had had your business and after? Were you were you very comfortable in your body beforehand too?

SPEAKER_03 1:15:20

No, not at all. Oh. I had some level of body dysmorphia my whole life. And I had an eating disorder from the time I was 23 till I was 40, 41. And so I was constantly scrutinizing myself. And if I was 104 pounds, I thought I looked like I weighed 500.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:40

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:41

Coming out of that was really difficult. But I mean, no, we're talking 20 years ago. I'm much healthier mentally now than I was then. But no, as far as my relationship with my body, I still have a tendency to pick myself apart. Well, we all do in the mirror and tell you things that are wrong with me.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:00

But I am, you know, I know that that people find me attractive. People don't see me the way I see myself.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:07

Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:08

I don't walk around thinking I look good or I'm hot or whatever. I'm just not like that. I've never been like that. And so it's very strange to me that people react the way they do. My best friend will say, We're walking through the store or the mall, and she'll be hitting me going, You didn't see? Did you look at that guy's looking at you? I'm like, I don't what guy? Like, I don't even know what you're talking about right now. She'd be like, I might as well not even be here. And she's beautiful, she's so full of it. But anyway, apparently she sees people checking me out and I don't see it.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:37

Right. So yeah, because we're we're always tougher on ourselves. Oh god, is your libido really strong still?

SPEAKER_03 1:16:44

Huge. Okay. But I've been on bioid bio-identical hormone replacement. Me too.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:49

Me too.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:50

And that is the difference. It's a game changer. And I just have to smile and step away. And so I spend a lot of time doing that. When I see people talking about how women after 40 or 45 don't get horny, don't get wet. Really, I have to wash my squirt blankets, you know, every single day. I've got multiple ones because I'm squirting everywhere. Same, I have to do it. Yeah, no, I don't. Yeah, it's like, okay, shut up. You don't know anything. Like you're basing it on an outdated stereotype that has nothing to do with the current reality, and certainly not my reality.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:33

Yeah. And I always laugh when it like it's usually younger women who are very judgmental about things like that too. And I'm like, oh, you just wait. Let's see what you do when you get to a certain age, right? I mean, to me, the hormone therapy is it was truly a game changer. It it changes the way you feel, the way you look, everything. Like it changes your skin, all of it. So I would highly recommend that men to tell your women to go do it because it's important.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:03

And it does it's at least as important as my surgery. If I didn't have that, yeah, it would not the two together has been what has made me who I am and the ability that I have to be the sexual person that I am.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:17

Yeah, a hundred percent guarante agree with that. My thing is I never l even before the hormone replacement therapy therapy, I never lost my libido at all.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:29

Yes, it did. It really did. I mean, I was always I I've always had a decent libido, but my marriage was sexless for the last three years, and part of it was probably I wasn't attracted to my ex-husband.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:41

But also part of that was probably the hormonal issues that I had.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:45

Because I started bioidentical hormones around the same time I got divorced.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:51

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:51

And so he didn't really get any benefit from that. Right. We were already split. But for my future, and I'm sure it didn't, you know, it it didn't hurt that I had you know lost some weight and got healthy and got the alcohol out of my body and started being healthier overall, which also helps. You know, alcohol ages you dreadfully.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:14

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:15

I don't point any fingers. If anybody wants to drink, smoke, do whatever. I am not the alcohol smoking, whatever, police, but I will tell you that as you age, the less things you put in your body that make it worse, the better.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:29

Yeah, I totally agree with that. And when I go back and think about all of the things that have changed me in the last seven years, I'm and I've lost a hundred pounds. I, you know, did the hormone I'm on a wellness journey with a wellness doctor, the hormone replacement therapy. I did do, I did a necklift. I did not do the deep plane facelift at all, but I feel like now I kind of want to do it, but I'll wait a little bit. So the necklift was a game changer for me because when you lose all that weight, I had all this skin that was hanging underneath my chin and jawline. And I'm like, oh no, that's not gonna work. So that had to go. Yes, girl.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:09

Yes, girl. You know, I had a revision of my necklift last year, too. I forgot about that. I had a second one last year.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:14

You did? I think I'm gonna do one again too. I'll probably wait a couple years. It's not bad yet, but look, if there's anything that'll make a woman look older, it's the neck and their hands. And there's nothing you can do.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:26

I mean Well, I had hand filler too. You did? There's a yeah, there's a place in Tampa, or Clearwater rather, that does hand filler, hand rejuvenation. I had a laser resurfacing on the back of my hands and some filler, and I'm about to do for some more.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:40

Interesting.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:40

But that does help.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:41

Yeah, there's a place here that does it too, BB aesthetics, and uh, we love them. We just did a show with them on the O shot. So Kat and I went there and had it, had it done, and we recorded while we were there. And oh my god. But they do hand filler and stuff. I don't need it. That's the other thing. Like my hands are still they look young for some reason. I'm not quite sure why. Must have been my white-collar job, but right. At any rate, but we you and I can talk about our surgeries all day long offline. But guys, if your woman, if your woman wants to feel better and getting plastic surgery of any kind, Botox, fillers, whatever, let her do it. You will benefit from that. In every way you'll benefit from it.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:27

Thousand percent.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:28

Yeah, for sure. I wanted to ask you again about the the Hustler article. I couldn't get to it when you sent me the link. Okay. And I don't know why I can. I have it. Okay I'll send it to you. I'll send you the screenshot. Cool. A funny story. My sister-in-law, is that can you still hear my dog barking?

SPEAKER_03 1:21:49

No, can you hear mine?

SPEAKER_00 1:21:50

Oh, I don't know. I I hear a dog barking. I don't know if it's mine or yours.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:54

It's Dexter, it's Dexter.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:56

Damn it, Dexter.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:58

I'm sorry. That's his name, Dexter, damn it.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:01

The the Hustler magazine, my sister-in-law, her mom and dad were the photographers for Larry Flint. And you know, Hustler magazine was out of Columbus, Ohio. Yeah. And and I I was trying to talk to her the other day. I'm like, I'm like, can you come on and talk about everything your mom, you know, your mom and dad did? And she's like, you know, mom was so quiet about that because her mom was became a lawyer. She was a teacher and a lawyer. So it was I wish I knew more of those stories. I bet they were wild. Can you imagine?

SPEAKER_03 1:22:34

Oh, you know it. That place was crazy, I'm sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:37

For sure. I there's so many more things I want to talk to you about, but I think we've covered everything tonight. Is there anything you want to cover that we haven't covered yet?

SPEAKER_03 1:22:47

I don't think so. I think that the main thing I just wanted to say and for everybody to know is that you know, my podcast is called No Expiration Date. Yeah, I love that. Yes, you know, yeah, having a full life, doing what you want to do. Just do it.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:11

Yeah, just do it. That's a rap on Ray Richmond. And she's the woman who looked at midlife and said, Hold my beer, and turn and turned her 50s into her sexual renaissance.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:23

So hold my sparkling water. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:26

But you know what? I thought about that after I wrote it, but then I wasn't sure like if it worked or not, because it kind of did because you went sober, you know. Yes. You hold this beer. I don't need it.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:35

Um I do not need it. What's the name of your podcast again? Well, it's on hiatus right now, but it's no expiration date. It'll be launching again within the next month.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:45

Okay, cool. I want to talk to you more about that too, offline.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:48

But I want you on it.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:50

Same sister. So I also owe Jason, and I want to be really clear about this, Jason from the TNA podcast, some serious favors for everything they've done for me because they've hooked me up with people and I'm giving them that back. And, you know, I'm trying to, but I just don't think I can ever repay them, especially for this introduction, because you are just so much fun. You are too. I love you. Thank you. I love you too. And this is a reminder follow us on iHeart, Spotify, and Apple Podcasts, or email to info at the vixenchronicles.com, VXN. Go to Ray Richmond's website, which is rayrichmond.com.com. Oh, I wasn't sure if we were using the live one there or not.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:35

Yeah, we can use dot com as long as it's not on social media, like Instagram or got it.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:41

Okay. Well, that's everything we have for tonight. And thank you for listening. Say bye, Ray, and we'll stop recording and talk for a minute. Bye. Bye.