Sugar Baby Life w/Kandy & Lola

Sugar babies spill the tea on the not so glamorous (and deeply weird) world of being "kept" in this unfiltered Vixen Chronicles episode. From Backpage origins and random restaurant pickups to $800 nipple-rubbing sessions while a sugar daddy handles his own business, the crew holds nothing back.

Lola dishes on juggling three daddies (including a secretive billionaire who proved his wealth but not his personality), surprise diaper requests, and the one who still Venmos cash for zero effort. Kandy shares how an older guy funded nursing school with mostly clothed kink sessions, giant age gaps, and that one time a plastic straw nearly became a deadly toy.

Power plays, “is this prostitution?” debates, ridiculous kinks, mommy fetishes, and Devon dropping wisdom like “have an exit plan and be confident in yourself” make this one equal parts hilarious, eye-watering, and cautionary. 

Warning: You’ll never look at billionaires or toilet paper rolls the same way again. 😂🍭

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SPEAKER_05 0:00

Welcome to the Vixen Chronicles, Erotic Explorations, and Unapologetic Talk. The episode tonight, we're pulling back the velvet curtains on sugar baby life, the thrill, the power plays, the mind-blowing orgasms, if there are any, and some shopping sprees or whatever, whatever happens in a sugar baby, sugar daddy relationship. So get comfortable, loosen something up, and let's dive into this deliciously naughty world of being kept. This is your content warning. This show is about sex, every kind and flavor of sex. If you think any topic is not your thing, please don't listen to it. And if you're under 18, you better stop listening right now, or I'm calling your mom. My lawyer makes me say that. Please follow and listen to us on iHeart, Spotify, and Apple Podcasts, and you'll get notified when we publish new episodes. Hello, Vixenhood. Welcome back and thank you for listening. I have some of our favorite people here tonight. I've got Devon, Lola, Onyx, Candy, and Curtis. Say hello, everybody. Hello.

SPEAKER_03 1:08

Hello.

SPEAKER_05 1:08

Our show mascot Jolene. She's already been making her rounds, but you'll hear her at certain times, and I apologize for that. So let's talk about sugar daddies. What what okay? My my first question is how did you realize that you like how did you get into that world? What was the thing that triggered that for you, Lola?

SPEAKER_08 1:34

Well, I basically I was finding sugar daddies a different way, but they weren't so to say sugar daddies at the time. I s that's how I kind of got into it was a website called Backpage.

SPEAKER_05 1:50

Okay.

SPEAKER_08 1:50

And we had basically posted on there, and that's how you find were you two still together then? No, this was a time.

SPEAKER_05 1:58

Okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_08 1:58

The sugar daddy thing didn't come until probably a couple years ago. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 2:06

I didn't have to be a little bit more than a big before you have to remind us.

SPEAKER_08 2:11

Five, six years ago. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:13

Okay. So what what made it transition?

SPEAKER_08 2:19

I honestly I don't basically the the whole dynamic of it.

SPEAKER_05 2:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 2:25

And what I could get out of it, in a sense, that type of relationship with someone.

SPEAKER_05 2:31

So was it was it something that just evolved for you for your case?

SPEAKER_08 2:37

Yeah. Yeah, I'd say so.

SPEAKER_05 2:39

And you, Candy?

SPEAKER_07 2:41

I mean, mine initially started out by like that was exactly what we were going into. This is what this was gonna be, nothing less, nothing more kind of situation. And he was cool with it. He was fine with it. Like he approached me out at a restaurant, actually. And like Wait, the sugar daddy did? Yeah. Wow. I was having dinner with a girlfriend of mine and her, I don't know, husband maybe at the time. And like he just approached me. They were in the bathroom. Like, at first I thought it was weird, and I'm like, okay, this is I don't like this, you know, because for one, you waited till I was alone. Yeah. But he did do it in a public thing, gave me his phone numbers, just said, you know, about business.

SPEAKER_05 3:18

Was he already a fan of dress?

SPEAKER_07 3:19

No, no, way before I started doing any of that.

SPEAKER_05 3:21

Oh, interesting. So he literally came up to you and said, I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 3:26

He said he gave me like a card. You could tell like he made it himself. And it's like, I'd like to talk business with you if you're interested and call me. And then I was curious. Yeah. Business. So I texted and was like, hey, this is you know candy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 3:39

Did and so yours just happened organically. Like it wasn't like a real decision. So what happened? Like, how did he approach it with you?

SPEAKER_07 3:48

Well, it was like started out in text, basic normal. You know, we went on a few dates, I guess is what we call them. Yeah. Like before I knew what it was. It was just like us getting to know each other kind of thing. Yeah. And like I I didn't know. I had no idea this was even a thing. Okay. So, like, after I found out what it was initially, and it was like never any I never slept with him. Okay, weird kink fetish stuff. And like and he would watch. No, to I had done this to him while he like sometimes I would lay there and play with his nipples while he masturbated for $800. He like little stuff like that. Like, I never physically sucked him, touched him, nothing. It wasn't sexual. I mean, it was sexual, but not right intercourse in a way, kind of thing.

SPEAKER_05 4:30

So it was more of his kink kind of thing. Yeah. Okay, so yeah. What was not? I mean, was there a certain dollar amount that you had in mind, like for either one of you? Like if I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna make this kind of money.

SPEAKER_07 4:45

No, I had no idea. Right. Right.

SPEAKER_08 4:47

I I didn't know what to like how to start what to start with.

SPEAKER_07 4:50

What he offered, I kind of just ran with, but it was always a a good amount of money.

SPEAKER_05 4:55

But you were in person, yes. Okay, and you were too, Lola?

unknown 5:00

In person.

SPEAKER_05 5:01

Okay. And how did you uh how did you find your guy? Oh, you said on backpage or whatever?

SPEAKER_08 5:05

Well, that was so that was a while ago. But okay, when I started again the sugar daddy thing, it was seeking arrangements. Oh, okay. Somebody talked about that before, and how it was not a great website, but I mean I've gotten some successful meats off of that website. A lot of there are a lot of them that are not sugar daddies, yeah, exactly. And they don't have any money at all, so they just get on there, but you're just like 24-hour attention, like I'm good.

SPEAKER_07 5:29

Yeah, no. Are you paying 24 hours of the day? Because no, yeah, right. That's why you pay for a certain time, you get that certain time. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_05 5:37

So, what was your biggest misconception about it?

SPEAKER_07 5:41

Probably the amount of stuff that they you know wanted, or else it was always a do this or nothing. Like do what I say, no money. Like, no, that's not this, has to be an equal, mutual, respectful agreement. You know, this is the same thing as any relationship. It's gotta be respect and me, thank you, boundaries. So that was like, would I do it again? Probably not. I'm not gonna lie, especially now that you know I'm in a relationship and very happily married. But like, it's just I don't want that. I don't want to have to worry about you or if I say something or do something wrong. Like, I healed from that trauma already. I'm not trying to know.

SPEAKER_05 6:16

But you guys, you never felt uncomfortable with the person that you were with, even at first. Were you were you nervous?

SPEAKER_07 6:22

Yeah, at first, definitely, because I had to go to his house alone. Okay, because I didn't know. I was just like, okay, let's go. Right. You know, whatever. So it was like, and it was very weird, and he he didn't look like he wasn't attractive by any means at all.

SPEAKER_08 6:36

Yeah, they never are.

SPEAKER_07 6:37

Well, that's why semi, like okay. Normal, yeah. No, he was he was he was a big man. Okay, yeah. So yeah, I was of course I was scared, I was fucking this big, right? Right, you know what I mean? But yeah, it was worth it at the time. Like it put me through nursing school, I'll say that.

SPEAKER_05 6:54

That's amazing.

SPEAKER_07 6:55

Yeah, takes care of what it needs to take care of. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_05 6:58

So what do you once once you establish that relationship, do you guys set a price then? It like it historically, right?

SPEAKER_08 7:06

So I did like basically allowance, and you give me, well, I set a basic amount and then you do like gifts or shopping here and there or send whatever jewelry, but I have a base amount, and you meet that, and it's like per couple hours or whatever, however, you want to hang out with me.

SPEAKER_05 7:25

And and and did you how do you care if I ask how much it was?

SPEAKER_08 7:30

To start it was 300 and then for each visit? Yeah, for an hour.

SPEAKER_05 7:36

Okay. That's look. Like you said, it pays the bills. Yeah. I am totally good with that. Did you did your did your guy, did your sugar daddy expect anything sexual or not?

SPEAKER_08 7:48

Yeah. Oh, he did. I I was open to that. That was something I that was off the table for me, but yeah, he was sexual about it. So it was more, I wouldn't say less transactional, but that's basically what I was trying to put in my head as it was.

SPEAKER_05 8:02

Right. That makes sense. It really does. So walk us through the very first date that you went on, Lola. Like how I mean you guys came up with a number. You do you go meet him at his house?

SPEAKER_08 8:16

Well, that time I actually met him at a restaurant. So the first time I met him was at a restaurant. We had the lunch, whatever it was, and we talked about everything at that time. And then we met up again the next time, and that's when everything started happening.

SPEAKER_05 8:32

And that was at his house?

SPEAKER_08 8:34

Yes. Well, no, sorry, hotel. Hotel. So we would get hotels.

SPEAKER_05 8:38

Okay. You know what? Was he pro was he married?

SPEAKER_08 8:41

No, no.

SPEAKER_05 8:42

No?

SPEAKER_08 8:43

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 8:43

Interesting. I would have thought maybe that's why you were doing the hotel thing over that he was, or he didn't want somebody in his house. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 8:50

He was he was also a billionaire.

SPEAKER_05 8:52

Oh.

SPEAKER_08 8:52

So really.

SPEAKER_05 8:53

He didn't want nobody in his house.

unknown 8:56

Wow.

SPEAKER_08 8:56

Interesting.

SPEAKER_05 8:57

How did you find out he was a billionaire?

SPEAKER_08 9:00

He told me. And then you look up his you know his comedies and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_05 9:04

Interesting. Holy shit. And did do you still stay in contact with him? No, he's an asshole. Oh, well, that's why. Right. Ended a while ago. Okay.

unknown 9:14

Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 9:14

He's a prick. Billionaire, but yeah. So did he have like great cars? Like, did he come off like money? Nope. No?

SPEAKER_08 9:22

Not at all. He was one of those that, you know, didn't never know as a billionaire.

SPEAKER_05 9:26

It was in my favorite ones.

SPEAKER_08 9:28

Yeah, literally. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 9:30

Are you guys really sure he was a billionaire? Yeah. He proved it. He did. Okay. Just checking. How was your guy? Did he have plenty of money?

SPEAKER_07 9:40

I mean, he was spending plenty of money. Like, how do you know? I mean, he had a nice little condo kind of thing, but like on a golf course, but it wasn't like Yeah. I mean, he was spending money like he had money.

SPEAKER_05 9:51

So did you guys ever have more than one sugar daddy at a time? No. You did? Well, let's hear about it, Lola.

SPEAKER_08 10:00

Um, well, I had How many did you have? Three. Okay. Nice. One here. One was in one Tennessee. Well, two here and one in Tennessee. And then did you drive to the guy in Tennessee? I did one time. And then we only met one time. Oh. But he still continues to send me money now.

SPEAKER_05 10:21

So oh my gosh. How that's the best deal. Do you even talk to him on the phone or you just text or just text and say that sometimes?

SPEAKER_08 10:31

Yeah. We did not do anything.

SPEAKER_05 10:33

Yeah, even better.

SPEAKER_08 10:35

Literally.

SPEAKER_05 10:36

Wow. I mean, I'm sorry, but I don't consider that sex work. Yeah, no. You know, if you're just talking to him, we don't want to easily in my consulting days, I would charge like four or five hundred dollars an hour, but that's for business, right? And it's all business in my mind. But when I think about that, they're paying for my expertise and my time.

SPEAKER_08 11:00

Right. You're paying for my time.

SPEAKER_05 11:01

You're paying for your time. Interesting. So when you had three of them, what did your week look like at home? I mean, did you have to manage all three of them?

SPEAKER_08 11:12

I mean, at home, home life was but then I would take out a couple hours of my day to go see whoever one it was. Most of them were busy. Yeah, most of them are busy during all the time.

SPEAKER_05 11:25

So they they're working full-time jobs, they don't have time to go meet in the middle of the day or whatever for the most part.

SPEAKER_08 11:33

Well, sometimes I mean sometimes it did happen in the middle of the day, but uh not not often.

SPEAKER_05 11:39

And were any of them married?

SPEAKER_08 11:43

One had a girlfriend, but yeah. Well what we knew about me, but didn't know I was getting money.

SPEAKER_05 11:50

Oh. What was the most expensive thing or gift, money, whatever that he ever or any of them ever gave you?

unknown 11:58

Several thousand.

SPEAKER_08 11:59

Well, yeah, several thousand. Well, not gifts, but like cash.

SPEAKER_07 12:03

Candy, what did you get? It just cash. Like it was never any gifts, never nothing. If it was so no shopping sprees, nothing like that. No, I mean, yeah, go spend this money on what you want, kind of, but like I had jewelry once. Yeah, he didn't. All the gifts was like dates. Like he did want to go on dates and spend time and go bowling and go to the movies. So, like, that's gifts to me. Okay, yeah. But yeah, no, like she said, a few thousand dollars. I just don't mind.

SPEAKER_05 12:29

Did he ever take did any of them ever take you guys to like great restaurant? I mean, I think about the Julia Roberts thing, right? Did any of them ever take you guys like to great restaurants or anything like that? Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 12:41

Yeah. I feel like he should have had a tux and a fancy dress on, you know, not my style of restaurant.

SPEAKER_08 12:50

Yeah, we did go one one restaurant. Me personally, I prefer to not do all those things. Yeah, I don't want to go out. That sounds like relationships. That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_07 13:00

It's like these are, and that's how I felt. Like I said, who's a bigger dude? I mean, that I don't like care. Probably in his 70s.

SPEAKER_06 13:07

Oh, yeah. Oh, so there was a huge age gap. Yes, I was in my 20s. Wow. Okay, she got a will.

SPEAKER_07 13:16

Saber and a will. Marry that one. He did want to date.

SPEAKER_05 13:20

What about you, Lola? Was there a big age gap with your three?

SPEAKER_08 13:24

Yeah. Well, two, no, but the one, what was it?

SPEAKER_05 13:29

20.

SPEAKER_08 13:30

20 years.

SPEAKER_05 13:32

Okay, 20 years. That's pretty significant.

SPEAKER_08 13:35

Honestly. I don't remember. I didn't really think about think about it.

SPEAKER_05 13:40

What were you two talking about while we were on a break there for a minute? About your sugar daddies. Do you remember? No?

SPEAKER_06 13:49

Oh, prostitution? Oh, yeah. Oh, prostitution?

SPEAKER_05 13:53

We could talk about that. It's is it considered prostitution? And I'm being serious when I ask that.

SPEAKER_07 13:58

It's I mean anything, sex for money is basically that, right?

SPEAKER_05 14:02

But does it have to be sex like a penis insortion kind of thing? Or can it be anything like that?

SPEAKER_07 14:09

I think it's any sex act.

SPEAKER_05 14:10

Any sex act?

SPEAKER_07 14:11

And I think the the cops would run with that. So whatever will be sexual.

SPEAKER_05 14:16

Got it. Okay.

SPEAKER_07 14:17

So that's why it's called sex work.

SPEAKER_05 14:19

Exactly. There you go. So age gaps. Were there any limits like on the 70-year-old guy? Were there any limits on like what we did? No, on the age, like you were in your 20s. I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 14:32

I don't know. I would hope so. Like, yeah, I would hope so, but I don't I don't know for sure. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05 14:39

Is there anything you'd say no to?

SPEAKER_07 14:42

Did or would now? Because that's two totally different words.

SPEAKER_05 14:45

Did let's because let's talk about that time frame.

SPEAKER_07 14:48

I mean, we're talking about I want he wanted me, and this was before like I loved anal kind of thing. Like he wanted to, you know, you know, play with me with stuff.

SPEAKER_05 14:58

Okay, toys.

SPEAKER_07 14:59

Not him. Yeah. And I was like, I'm not, no, no, no, no, because it wasn't just sex toys, it was like weird shit. Oh, like, yeah. Like, yeah, like straws for one. Straw? Plastic straws are weird. That is weird. I don't know, because it's so small. Did he want to do anything with the straw? He was like sucking and blowing, and yeah, it was I don't know, but it was weird. That's weird. No.

SPEAKER_05 15:23

So Devon's telling us if somebody's blowing a straw up your ass, air back up your ass, it can kill you. I'm gonna have to look that up. I'm gonna have to Google that too.

SPEAKER_08 15:31

I don't know. Definitely Google.

SPEAKER_05 15:34

So during our break, though, you said that there was another guy. So there were there were two sugar. Were they at the same time?

SPEAKER_07 15:40

I don't know. I don't think so. I think this one's after because I was like much more comfortable sexually at this point. And like it was just like he was married and had kids and had a family, and was like this was very, very secretive. Like we never showed up at the hotel together. It was always like I go later kind of thing.

SPEAKER_05 15:59

Yeah. Like did what how what was the age gap in that one?

SPEAKER_07 16:04

He was I don't know. He had gray hairs that I know. Not full gray, but like a salt and pepper. So maybe for late 40s, mid-50s. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 16:12

And you were still in your 20s then?

SPEAKER_07 16:14

Late 20s, I would guess. I don't know. I don't keep track of shit. I just live. I know you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_05 16:20

Like I love that about you. There's no reason to keep track of it.

SPEAKER_07 16:23

Because sometimes I listen to these podcasts of me talking, I'm like, that sounds fake as fuck. No, it's not. Like I really don't know. No, it does not sound fake. It's you. I keep track of my kids' birthdays, and that's it. Yeah. Any other dates I don't care about.

SPEAKER_05 16:34

Was it always just in a hotel, or was it were you able, did he ever take you anywhere, do anything? You know, trips, any trips ever?

SPEAKER_08 16:42

No, I had kids paid for trips, but oh really?

SPEAKER_07 16:47

Yeah, that because I had kids, like I never was away. Yeah, okay. Right. But we went, I took my kids to Orlando, Florida. And you got a trip paid for? Oh yeah, yeah.

unknown 17:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 17:00

We went to Myrtle Beach off.

SPEAKER_05 17:04

Is that where you went? You went on vacation?

SPEAKER_08 17:06

Pretty much, yeah. On vacation to Myrtle Beach.

SPEAKER_05 17:09

Okay, so there's nothing memorable about these guys. Like, no, there's no extravagance other than Nikash. Well, I'll get off that line of questioning.

SPEAKER_03 17:16

No.

SPEAKER_05 17:17

Did you ever get turned on by the power dynamic? Because you too have the power in those relationships.

SPEAKER_07 17:24

Yes, absolutely.

SPEAKER_05 17:26

I can see you doing that. Yeah. I could think it's just a natural evolution to where you are today.

SPEAKER_07 17:30

Exactly.

SPEAKER_05 17:31

Because you you you hold the power.

SPEAKER_07 17:33

And I've there would be a few times where like he was being nice and genuine, and like I was struggling with men trauma back then. So like when somebody was nice to me, I like gravitated towards that. Yeah. So I would like bring my friends and surprise him and do this cute little like shit I shouldn't have been doing for somebody I didn't give a fuck about. You know what I mean? But that's who I am. I'm a mother inside, you know what I mean? So that was pretty. He was very, very thankful for that. And just yeah, that's like what started my fascination with threesomes. Other than the fact that I already liked them, but like seeing how it made him feel, yeah, was just something you just there's power in that. I don't understand why women don't understand what the power they hold with bringing two women to your man. You know what I mean? Try it once.

SPEAKER_05 18:16

What about you, Lola? Did you did did you feel like you had power in the relationships?

SPEAKER_08 18:22

I did. You did? Yeah, I did.

SPEAKER_05 18:23

Okay. And did you like it?

SPEAKER_08 18:25

I did.

SPEAKER_05 18:26

Good. I'm glad.

SPEAKER_08 18:27

I'm not I didn't really see it like her point of view, I guess, being as the Dom and all that you are, but I did feel the a little bit of power.

SPEAKER_05 18:41

But it did it, did those experiences make you more sexually confident?

SPEAKER_07 18:46

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_05 18:47

Yeah? Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 18:47

I mean, I would say so just because like somebody's willing to pay right for it. You know what I mean? And they come back. So I'm numerous times, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 18:56

I'm having a weird situation right now where I I think I've shared this with you when we went out to dinner or whatever. There's this 26-year-old kid who apparently listens to the podcast, but he's like, I have money. I will pay for pictures of nudes, I'll do this, I'll do that. And then he's like, I'll pay you, you name the price. I just want to have sex with you once. And I'm like, no. And here's what I told him: I said, look, I make a lot of money. I make a fuck ton of money. So you can't afford me. Now, if I didn't, it might be a different conversation. He goes, What's the number? I said, Well, I'm not gonna bet against myself. You give me the number, but I'm gonna tell you it's five figures at a minimum. So it's gonna be 10,000 or above. I just wanted to fuck with him. And then he he comes and goes, comes and goes off Snapchat. I just think it's really weird though, because why would a 26-year-old child in my mind, a man, but still a child, want a woman of my age.

SPEAKER_03 20:00

Yeah. That is a thing. That's a thing. I told you earlier, mommy keep on mark.

SPEAKER_07 20:04

Yeah, you did. You did. Yeah, it's a huge thing. I'm not even like, I don't consider myself a cougar.

SPEAKER_05 20:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 20:13

Definitely a milk, but not a cougar. But like there's a huge fetish in between those two. Oh yeah. Really? Things. Like grannies, even like it's a huge thing. Yeah. There are some time. Like there is in the of the amount of times like I get requested. Yeah. I don't say daddy for one that's disrespectful to him. Absolutely. I know, I know. But it's like good boys and like mommy's baby and mommy's this. And it's like huge, and I'm like, I get it, but at the same time, like I it's the most only requested word. Right. Like it's never anything but mommies.

SPEAKER_05 20:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 20:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 20:50

Weird. I I want to do a whole show on that because I don't know enough about it.

SPEAKER_07 20:54

I love it. I will help you.

SPEAKER_05 20:56

You will? Okay, good.

SPEAKER_07 20:57

I that's all I do. All I do.

SPEAKER_05 20:59

Wow. Okay. So that you're saying that your viewers, whatever, today, are they younger or not?

SPEAKER_07 21:08

Sometimes I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 21:09

Oh, you wait, they're not on video?

SPEAKER_07 21:12

No. Well, I don't do that anymore. But not some of them wouldn't. Like when I was doing calls, some of them were like insecure or scared or had to be super secretive. So they had their camera off. So I couldn't see you. I could tell by the voice whether you were a little older or a little younger. Like in this some were really old and some were questionable. But I wouldn't say under 18. Oh, you know what I mean? But like questionable to like I shouldn't be talking to you, kind of like that's no, my son is your age almost. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05 21:41

Like I think I think part of it is the challenge too.

SPEAKER_07 21:44

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_05 21:45

So there's something with that. It's he's like, Well, I have the money, and I'm like, I I guess I really don't care.

unknown 21:51

Right.

SPEAKER_08 21:52

And it's just like I got the money too.

SPEAKER_07 21:53

So it's crazy to me how like men won't trace a woman in real life. Yeah, hella chase a bitch on the internet. You know what I mean? Why is that? It's I think it's an ego thing, you know, because sometimes they'll be hiding behind Snapchat nicknames or whatever, whatever. In real life, that's you. Yeah. And you don't want to be perceived as that guy to your cell co so-called alpha friends or whatever the case may be. I don't know. That's just my opinion. Yeah. But like they will hella chase a bitch online.

SPEAKER_05 22:20

I told I told my partner, I'm like, you know, it'll be my luck that like my brothers are setting me up. And it'll be somebody they know. Or worse than that, is he's an undercover cop or something like that. I'm like, I don't, I don't need this kind of headache in my life. Yeah. But he he is on my Facebook and he's on Snapchat, and I don't think he's on my Instagram, but he does post things and he looks real, and I'm like, where's your girlfriend? And he's like, I haven't had a girlfriend in two years. And he's not unattractive. Like, he's an attractive guy. So I don't know. And then I thought, well, maybe he had a micropenis, because you guys got me thinking about that.

unknown 22:58

Yeah, true.

SPEAKER_05 22:59

So I made him send a deck pack. And it was fine. It was like a normal deck. I'm like, okay, well, I'm trying to figure out what toilet paper roll test. What's that? What's it? Oh no. Look, he was white, okay? Quit riding. Devon's over here being sassy. Toilet paper roll test to see if it's bigger than that.

SPEAKER_02 23:24

Is it worth our time to eat? Right. Oh. So she was like a picture? Oh, it's okay.

SPEAKER_05 23:29

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 23:31

If it is, I don't want it. If it's if it doesn't come out the other side of it, I I don't want it.

SPEAKER_07 23:36

Right.

SPEAKER_05 23:37

Interesting. And it would have to be hard to get that, you know. But yeah.

SPEAKER_07 23:42

I feel like that's pretty fucking thick. If it doesn't fit in there.

SPEAKER_05 23:47

Oh, I don't know. I think that's pretty normal. Right?

SPEAKER_07 23:50

I don't know. I'd have to see.

SPEAKER_02 23:52

Yeah. Yeah. It's not very unlikely.

unknown 23:56

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 23:57

When she first said that, I was like, damn.

SPEAKER_07 23:58

I'll have to try that.

SPEAKER_01 24:00

Ain't no way.

SPEAKER_07 24:01

Okay. Oh, yeah, I'm good. We're good. I'm gonna try that. Well, not me, you, because I'm curious. I'm just curious. I feel like that's big.

SPEAKER_02 24:11

She said it. Okay. She said it's big.

SPEAKER_00 24:15

Go get that roll. Go get him right now.

SPEAKER_07 24:19

You are big though, so maybe I don't even have to do any work.

SPEAKER_00 24:23

You probably have to eat and do it. Literally.

SPEAKER_05 24:27

So what happens when you're when you're sugar daddy's candy, what what happened like when they quit giving you money? Did was it an impact financially? Right.

SPEAKER_07 24:37

Well, well, the one guy actually, the first one that I told you was like bigger and older, he actually got married and committed and wanted to stop this fetish, I guess he had. Yeah. Because you know, like it was just it was just weird stuff. But most of the time it was me just laying there naked, and I was, you know, sometimes I would smoke, sometimes I wouldn't, but like rub his nipples while he masturbated. That's literally it.

SPEAKER_05 24:59

Just rub them like they didn't need to be for $800, bitch.

SPEAKER_07 25:02

No. Lay there and just rub his nails like this on the bottom.

SPEAKER_05 25:07

That's not considered sex work, right? Because I mean it's okay. I mean, he was masturbating. We need to understand the line here.

SPEAKER_03 25:14

Yeah. Holy shit.

SPEAKER_05 25:16

So what happened to you, Lola, when I mean, you're are you down to one sugar daddy, or are they all gone now? I mean, I have Well, the one still sends you money, you said.

SPEAKER_08 25:26

I have I don't one I still get money from. The other one I will be getting money from again. Um, and the other one he's at a halt right now, too. Well it's complicated with those.

SPEAKER_05 25:40

Okay. Well, with the middle one, how do you know you're gonna be getting again? Did he text you or something?

SPEAKER_08 25:44

Well, he let me know how much his taxes are gonna be.

SPEAKER_05 25:46

So oh, okay. Interesting.

SPEAKER_08 25:49

Okay, fair enough. I know that, I'll take that.

SPEAKER_05 25:51

But is it consistent money coming in?

SPEAKER_08 25:54

It was.

SPEAKER_05 25:55

It was? It was how much did it suck when it quit?

SPEAKER_08 25:58

I mean it sucked.

SPEAKER_05 25:59

I mean, yeah. Like I said, it's paying the bills, you know what I mean? I'm just floored by this. I I don't understand how or why men get off on that, but it is what it is. Uh it's a kink like anything else, right? Yeah. Did you ever get feelings for them, even like as friends, like become closer to them? No.

SPEAKER_07 26:21

Lol is a hard note. Yeah. I'm cold hearted. I said the second one I did, but not like it wasn't like, oh my god, I love you feelings. It was just like I don't want this to end kind of thing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 26:33

Because I mean, at the time I was like, I don't want that to end, but yeah.

SPEAKER_05 26:37

But she said like friendship type feelings.

SPEAKER_07 26:40

Yeah, like and we were like full-blown like doing stuff. Yeah. So it was more like, yeah, how do you he helped me escape from my home life, so he was my safe space.

SPEAKER_05 26:50

Okay. How do you think that people get out of something like that? Like, especially women when you're, you know, getting money coming in.

SPEAKER_07 26:59

I mean, honestly, I don't I don't know. But my brain automatically goes to if it's toxic, they'll leave. But I don't know how, like, other than agreeing to be done. You know what I mean? I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 27:12

Yeah, well, like her one guy got married. And I assume he told you that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:17

One had a girl who got a girlfriend.

SPEAKER_08 27:21

Oh, thank you.

SPEAKER_05 27:22

And when you when you told him that, how did he take it?

SPEAKER_08 27:24

It happened single and kidless, of course.

SPEAKER_05 27:26

Maybe. Yeah. But what made well, how did he take it when you told him no? It was fine?

SPEAKER_08 27:33

He was fine. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 27:35

Devon saying no, he was not.

SPEAKER_08 27:37

I guess I'd block that out too.

unknown 27:40

So I'm not.

SPEAKER_05 27:40

You're gonna have to get to the microphone at this one.

SPEAKER_02 27:43

So, like a lot of the times, like originally, because like this was like one of the first ones in this in this type of situation. So when she would go on these dates, she would turn her phone on. She carried.

SPEAKER_05 27:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:56

And I was on the other end of the phone call.

SPEAKER_05 27:58

Okay. Oh.

SPEAKER_02 27:59

Just to make sure she was okay.

SPEAKER_05 28:01

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 28:02

So I could listen and not have to worry about nothing. I love that. If she's in the hotel, I'm at the door.

SPEAKER_05 28:09

Yeah. I like that a lot.

SPEAKER_02 28:12

So when she gets there, she texts me hotel and room number, and I'm at that room, whether they know it or not.

SPEAKER_05 28:17

Okay. So when she told him that she wouldn't move to his town and move in.

SPEAKER_02 28:22

I was just like, sure. What's the reason? Why not? Why not? Because she didn't say she had a boyfriend. She was just conversating, like, don't worry about me, just I need you to take care of this and he wouldn't necessarily get angry or mad or whatever, aside from that one that he did get smart and talking about choked him. He would make comments like, Well, I I told you all you had to do is move here and I I'd make sure I take care of you. And she was just like, Nope. There's a reason your wife's leaving. Get out of here.

SPEAKER_05 28:49

What did he get mad about? You said one time.

SPEAKER_02 28:52

Oh, her seeking page was still up.

SPEAKER_04 28:54

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:55

Oh, he didn't bother about that. Because he was like, My lawyer saw that your page was still up, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. His lawyer.

SPEAKER_08 29:03

Oh, yeah, the non-disc. He did have me, didn't he have me sign a contract? Yeah. He did, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 29:09

An NDA, non-disclosure. Yeah. I didn't sign one. And you're on the phone listening. But he never knew you were listening or yet.

SPEAKER_02 29:19

Not the phone call. Okay. So that's how I knew that he carried a gun, firearm, like a little 22 on his calf.

SPEAKER_05 29:27

Got it.

SPEAKER_02 29:28

It was one in his car, one on his calf, and he had one. He talked too much. You know what I'm saying? To be like that man, a man of that wealth. Like you talk too much to somebody you don't know. I'm sorry. You said a lot, sir. I know your wife, ex-wife, kids, where you went, like what you're building.

SPEAKER_05 29:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:44

But that's also Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 29:46

Did did you ever have like a funny situation with any of them? I don't know. Just anything that was awkward or ridiculous, like a request that was ridiculous. Anything like that.

SPEAKER_02 30:00

Diapers.

SPEAKER_08 30:00

Oh yeah. Diapers? What? They're not. Those weren't those three.

SPEAKER_05 30:05

Okay.

SPEAKER_08 30:06

But I have been asked, yeah, to change some diapers before on a man. Yeah. Multiple times.

SPEAKER_06 30:12

Did you do it?

SPEAKER_01 30:13

Multi Fuck no.

SPEAKER_07 30:14

In real life. Wait, did they? Yeah. Mine's always been online.

SPEAKER_01 30:17

They want to play maybe.

SPEAKER_07 30:19

Yeah, I know that, but like I've never in person. It's always been like they wanna.

SPEAKER_05 30:22

Does that go back to a mommy kink too?

SPEAKER_08 30:25

Has to be.

SPEAKER_05 30:27

So do they shit in the diaper? One told me he wanted to. I was like, are you f serious? I mean, can you imagine sitting in your own shit in a diaper?

SPEAKER_08 30:35

People do it.

SPEAKER_05 30:36

People do it. Not me. Was he gonna pay you? Was he gonna pay you to change his diaper?

SPEAKER_08 30:42

Yeah, but oh no, I'm with you. A couple hundred bucks?

SPEAKER_05 30:47

Oh lord, no. That's not even crazy. I don't even get out of bed for less than 200. Probably less than 500. That's crazy. She doesn't either. Yeah, no.

SPEAKER_01 30:56

Her hour rate was definitely 500.

SPEAKER_05 30:59

Yeah. That's pretty funny.

SPEAKER_06 31:02

Yeah, what? Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 31:06

Yeah. And that's exactly what that's what 40 bets are getting. And actually, that's even a lot for what advice would you give a woman wanting to do that now? I mean, and they're always young. And I have to tell you, I have some of my kids' friends. The girls will say, you know, I want to get into this. How do I do it? Don't do it. Just don't do it. Nope. Okay. Yeah. Well, here comes Devon.

SPEAKER_07 31:35

It's just almost not worth the, you know.

SPEAKER_08 31:38

And if you're not mentally prepared.

SPEAKER_07 31:40

Yeah. It puts you through like some some self-reflection almost.

SPEAKER_05 31:45

Okay. Devon, give it a try.

SPEAKER_02 31:47

You gotta be able to be a person who can self-reflect and know that this situation is not who you are. It's just the vehicle of means to get where you want to go. So one, if you're going into it, have a plan. Right. To be actively working on that plan. If that person is helping along with that plan, great, but don't give it them all of it. And and it's and it's know that you are still a human and you still matter, regardless of what this person is about to try to make you do, say, or be. Because that one billionaire was, you could tell that he was demeaning in his talk and how he talked to him. Condescending else out. He felt smarter than everybody. And when I had a conversation with him, I I felt that instantly, and I was just like, Oh yeah, you're an idiot. Wait, so you actually talked to him? Yeah, I met with I had a meeting with him. I had I had I had her set up a meeting with him and I to talk business. Okay. And at that point, when I was sitting there, I was like, I don't even think I would want to do a business deal with you. Like I And I would say that. I could be homeless. Oh, I was. Like I'm sitting there looking at him, and I'm he's talking. He was like, Oh, being a billionaire has nothing to do with being just being ready or this, that, or third. It was just all luck. And I'm looking at him and I was like, No, I I believe it has a lot to do with luck, but you wouldn't have got lucky if somebody didn't believe you was ready.

SPEAKER_05 32:58

Well, and let me tell you this too. If he's a billionaire, he's not talking about being a billionaire. That it something's not adding up there for me.

SPEAKER_02 33:07

He was heading up. What did he show you that made? I'll I'll give you that. He would you can you can search him. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 33:13

You text it to me.

SPEAKER_02 33:14

It's it's oil companies, I'll show you. He was he he was given the reins to a large company at 27. A lot of stuff.

SPEAKER_05 33:20

I mean, sounds like a dectomy.

SPEAKER_02 33:22

Yeah. That's why that's what I'm saying. His wife left and she took 10.8 on the way out.

SPEAKER_05 33:27

Is there anything that having sugar daddies has made you learn about men that you have not discovered in other places or other ways in your life?

SPEAKER_07 33:37

I mean, the fact they're weird, they're instantly some kinky stuff that I would never would have thought, especially just growing up at that, like to 20s was early then for this kind of thing. And it was just like, what in the actual fuck? Like, how did you get here? I put my cigarette ouches out on tongues, like that kind of shit. You know what I mean? Like, it's just it's so weird. I wonder how. That doesn't make my pussy wet.

SPEAKER_05 34:15

Right.

SPEAKER_07 34:15

You know what I mean? Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 34:16

Doing it to you would, but or how they even got there to that point.

SPEAKER_07 34:21

Exactly. That like what mental like I'm very curious to like where this started. That's why when I a lot of people ask me to tell my story on my smoking fetish and where it came from, I will gladly tell you because like I want to know why you do what you do or you like what you like. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05 34:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 34:35

Like, why does one guy like a squirter versus a creamer or vice versa? Right. I'm curious to know the difference.

SPEAKER_00 34:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 34:41

You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_08 34:41

Well, at least that's I don't know why I like certain things. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 34:45

I just do it's just hot to me.

SPEAKER_00 34:47

You haven't unlocked it. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 34:49

It's just hot.

SPEAKER_02 34:51

Like, oh, I like that now.

SPEAKER_05 34:52

Yeah. Yeah. Wait, you get that microphone right back over there to you. Oh, searching.

SPEAKER_02 34:57

Yeah, if you're on porn, you know, you're on your favorite section, like times where I like big butts shaking or something, and then next week it's boobies bouncing, and then I look up and now I'm watching Midges. Yeah, midges racing. And I'm like, wait a minute. That's how we are.

SPEAKER_07 35:11

We go like a week of like one thing and then we'll search to the next topic.

SPEAKER_05 35:15

And like do you do you guys think that porn has algorithms that put different things up? Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_07 35:21

Absolutely. Okay, especially based on what you search and what you watch.

SPEAKER_05 35:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 35:26

Yeah, you know what I mean? Like, I get a lot of weird shit popping up in my shit recently. Yeah. Like the like the shitting that keeps popping up, and I'm like, I can't even imagine. I don't mind, but I'm not gonna watch it. Like playing in it like a child is crazy too. No. The amount of hot bitches I see doing it too, I'm like so gross.

SPEAKER_05 35:47

Ugh.

SPEAKER_07 35:48

Eating it. No, you're lying. I swear to you.

SPEAKER_05 35:51

Okay, look, we can't look. I am going to kink shame on that. I'm sorry. I mean, I'm not eating anybody.

SPEAKER_07 35:58

And that's coming from somebody who likes to be pissed on and will do the pissing and drinking it, but like I'm not shitting is a lot.

SPEAKER_05 36:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 36:05

For me. Like throw up too. Oh yeah, no. The guys like to be like fucking silly. They're continuously like I don't like that. What? About that is sexy to me.

SPEAKER_05 36:15

Children and animals.

SPEAKER_07 36:16

But don't like the throw up.

SPEAKER_05 36:18

Oh no. God, no.

SPEAKER_07 36:20

Like, no, dude, like literally, he would take his fucking fingers and just like make her fucking throw up over and over and over again and fill up bottled uh bowls and shit.

SPEAKER_08 36:27

Oh god.

SPEAKER_07 36:28

And like, dude, wait, you remember this? Do you remember this? Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 36:33

Wait, and so you how did you run across stuff like that?

SPEAKER_07 36:36

Uh just it's porn hub. I see it on Twitter all the time.

SPEAKER_05 36:40

Oh my god. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 36:41

No, they're just when they start showing up in my feed. Next, next, next. No, I hope it does because when I got trouble times, you guys have to be troubled. I'm not gonna get trouble. And like I don't know, because especially since there's a bowl, I'm like, oh, they're gonna go pee. And I do, I hate when they play in the bowl, like just piss on each other like women, but I don't kink shade.

SPEAKER_04 36:59

Sometimes I sometimes I feel like because I look up other weird shit in the students. I want to know. Like, listen. Here's more weird shit for you. Not that we're not gonna be. It's like I wish there was a filter. Like, show me anything about this. Yes, because there are very few things that I see, and I it like just shuts everything down. Right. Most things I'll just scroll by and say, okay, whatever, whatever. Those two, yeah. Those my kids, like I automatically go, okay, I'm good. I'm good.

SPEAKER_07 37:30

I'm gonna send y'all an extreme warning label and then send the link. No, please do not.

SPEAKER_00 37:34

I don't want to do not. I also don't like because then it lets me know like how the level of the shit that I'm into, because that's like, you know what I mean? If that's what if this is par for this, then I'm pretty fucked. Yeah, you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_02 37:50

I said all the time. I'm like, listen, I can tell where we are in life by our ads and TV commercials. Yeah, yeah. I was like, hold on, we're we're getting super rude commercials. Okay, we we ain't doing too bad.

SPEAKER_05 38:01

Um my partner sent me a link a little while back, and it was about a guy who he was in a relationship, a gay relationship with a person who had no limbs, no arms, no legs. And that person decided to transition to female, and then oh, they were married during this whole thing, too. And then this guy obviously, he's like the pronouns were hard to get to and like figure out. So that so the person with no limbs transitioned to be a female, and I just kept thinking about the guy, the the partner, and I'm like, how many kinks does this guy have?

SPEAKER_07 38:39

I'm reading it. Um my brain is not following along here. Okay, so you did not say it's a big thing. So you see no limbs. I got that, but is there a dick or a vagina?

SPEAKER_05 38:53

Well, I would assume there was a dick.

SPEAKER_07 38:55

So you're basically fucking a sex doll.

SPEAKER_05 38:58

That's exactly and I was reading that, Candy, and I thought your sex dolls, because that's exactly that's exactly what they look at. It's a living sex doll. Yes. Okay, and that sex doll decided to transition from male to female.

SPEAKER_07 39:10

Yeah, and then Which is fun, I love that.

SPEAKER_05 39:12

And now the sex doll is asking the original partner to transition from male to female.

SPEAKER_00 39:20

Why?

SPEAKER_05 39:22

Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 39:23

But why did they have nothing else going on in their life?

SPEAKER_05 39:28

Again.

SPEAKER_02 39:28

I would have went for a prosthetic leg or arm first.

SPEAKER_03 39:34

That's that's valid.

SPEAKER_05 39:36

I mean, I don't know. And I just kept thinking, how many fucking kinks does this one guy have? Like, seriously. I've never I've never seen anybody with no arms and no knees. Me neither.

SPEAKER_01 39:46

Yeah, you're going to hell.

SPEAKER_05 39:47

Yeah, you're going to hell, Devon.

SPEAKER_01 39:49

Well, keep knowing I was driving the bus. It's fine. I'm out. Get on. We're going.

SPEAKER_05 39:56

Oh my god. So I don't know. Let's wrap this up just a little bit because um put a condom on who does it? Oh, oh, well, he would have to put his own condom on. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 40:14

He's a girl now.

unknown 40:15

He's a girl. He's a girl now.

SPEAKER_05 40:16

So our advice to any young girls do not do this unless you're super comfortable with yourself and you know what your end game is, right?

SPEAKER_07 40:25

Don't do it.

SPEAKER_03 40:25

If you don't plan on having a family anytime soon, have a plan.

SPEAKER_05 40:30

Okay. And wait, so Lola, what's your plan to get out of it eventually?

SPEAKER_08 40:36

I'll just get out of it when I'm with money. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 40:39

Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 40:41

That's why I say you gotta have a plan, because you can make $5,000 a week.

SPEAKER_05 40:44

Well, hello, you're her husband, make a plan.

SPEAKER_02 40:46

He is the plan man. I just asked. It really is. Did I not? You did. He asked me that exact question the other day. Right.

SPEAKER_00 40:54

When money isn't an issue, I guess. But how much is that?

SPEAKER_02 40:56

Right. I don't know. How much of money do you need to feel comfortable that you say you make?

SPEAKER_00 41:02

Gotcha.

SPEAKER_02 41:02

Because success looks different. It does.

SPEAKER_05 41:04

I mean right now it could be a smaller amount.

SPEAKER_00 41:08

Yeah, I think I don't know. 10 grand a month. If you're if you're making more than 10 grand a month, I don't feel like you should have to be doing so unless you like it. And then fucking do it anyway.

SPEAKER_02 41:21

Yeah. You know what I mean? But at that point, choice you can enjoy it. Yeah. It's not because you're trying to keep the bites on it.

SPEAKER_00 41:28

Yeah, yeah. And then that you might even enjoy it more.

SPEAKER_02 41:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 41:32

Now that's true because it's a choice. Yes. Because it's a choice.

SPEAKER_07 41:36

Yeah, that's fair.

SPEAKER_05 41:37

Do we want to segue into sex addiction at all? Are we going to do that later? I'm so tired, you guys. I don't know if I can. That means you guys have to come back again. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 41:48

I had to go to the bathroom before I was falling asleep. Oh, yeah. See, it's nine o'clock.

SPEAKER_05 41:53

So that's a wrap on sugar daddies, sugar babies, and whether you want to do it or not. And if you do it, according to Devon, you better have a plan on how you're going to call it. What's enough? Sorry. It's okay. You're allowed to cough, Candy. You better have a plan on what's enough and then when to get out, right? So thank you all tonight. I know it's been a late night, it's been a long day, late night, but thank you all for coming. I love you all. You know that. Thanks for having me. Miss your cat. What?

SPEAKER_02 42:25

Miss you cat.

SPEAKER_05 42:26

Oh, yeah. We do miss Cat. Yes. Oh, I guess. Oh, you know what? Oh my God. I was supposed to text her to tell her when we were doing this. Oh, that's not a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_07 42:37

She'll understand though.

SPEAKER_05 42:39

No, she will tell. Look, she'll be fine.

SPEAKER_07 42:40

She'll be like, yeah. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_05 42:43

Between the two of us. Yeah. She's been a soccer mom all day. Oh, yeah. And anyway, listen to us on iHeart, Spotify, and Apple Podcasts. And if you have any feedback, email us at info at the VexenCon Chronicles.com and it's VXN. Say goodbye, everybody.

SPEAKER_03 43:03

Bye.

SPEAKER_06 43:04

Everybody.

SPEAKER_05 43:05

Everybody.